HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Tue, 12 Dec 2023 00:33:16 GMT

Mike Newman — Tue, 12 Dec 2023 00:33:16 GMT

Moderator Note: The contents of this post were moved to a separate topic, Macro works normally, but fails when shortcut is Ctrl+Shift+C, because it’s actually separate from the >=v8.5.3 issue for this Topic.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 05 Jul 2023 14:08:39 GMT

PeterJones — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 14:08:39 GMT

Good News

It turns out that XML’s five predefined named-entities still work even in Notepad++ v8.5.3 and newer. Also, the entities made up of two hex digits still work.

The following macro shows the named entities that still work in macro sParam values with v8.5.3 and newer, as well as showing how to get a CRLF newline sequence using the two-hex-digit entities. You can use this as an example for when you are manually editing your macros to work for v8.5.3 and newer:

And here are all the two-digit hex entities for ASCII characters from 1 to 127:

The FAQ has been updated to match this new information.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 01 Jun 2023 11:30:49 GMT

Alan Kilborn — Thu, 01 Jun 2023 11:30:49 GMT

@Cement-Knight said in HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later:

Moving to the next bookmark does not work inside a macro. No matter where the cursor is, it will always go to a specific bookmark.

You might want to start a new thread with that, as it is very unrelated to previous conversation in this thread.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 01 Jun 2023 11:26:52 GMT

Cement Knight — Thu, 01 Jun 2023 11:26:52 GMT

Moving to the next bookmark does not work inside a macro. No matter where the cursor is, it will always go to a specific bookmark.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Sat, 27 May 2023 07:04:35 GMT

wonkawilly — Sat, 27 May 2023 07:04:35 GMT

@datatraveller1 said in HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later:

@wonkawilly As far as I have understood @guy038 and the FAQ, you simply have to replace the old values UTF-8 encoded literally with è, à etc.

I’m not sure if something like Python would work for the macro system but I partly agree that it is a bit ugly sometimes - In my case I don’t like that real line breaks get inserted into shortcuts.xml.

It should be good enough to see it replaced with “\r\n” as in regular expression syntax. Nevertheless, that solution would of course be good just to “survive”, not in the long run, because nevertheless the optimus would be to have a complete new macro system as in LibreOffice, MsOffice and so on. It would be a huge improvement even replacing the current macro system in npp with a new macro system based on AutoIt language and macro recorder.
The current macro system is too cryptic and too limited. Compare this row

with its equivalent in a simple scripting language in which you can even do loops or if/else and so much more.
IMHO the current macro system in N++ is going old… and really needs retirement, better sooner than later…
Also another ugly thing is that n++ saves new recorded macros only on exit: it would be better to save new created macros on click on the Save Macro button so they could be edited without the need of restarting npp: other ugly and incomprehensible thing.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Fri, 26 May 2023 16:31:28 GMT

Massimo Piscopo — Fri, 26 May 2023 16:31:28 GMT

@guy038 and @PeterJones THANK YOU SO MUCH, I’ve solved. <3

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 25 May 2023 18:38:46 GMT

PeterJones — Thu, 25 May 2023 18:38:46 GMT

@Massimo-Piscopo ,

I don’t find it in shortcuts.xml

It’s there, or your macro doesn’t exist when you exit Notepad++ and restart. Did you look in the right shortcuts.xml?

If you had read the first post in this discussion, you would have seen the we asked you to supply your ?-menu’s Debug Info. Because you chose not to do so, we have to assume the location of your shortcuts.xml is in %AppData%\Notepad++\shortcuts.xml, as @guy038 guessed while I was typing this.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 25 May 2023 18:34:30 GMT

guy038 — Thu, 25 May 2023 18:34:30 GMT

Hello, @massimo-piscopo and All,

I suppose that you have a standard installation with N++ installer ! Then, you must look for the real location of your shortcuts.xml file !

Follow the steps, below :

Open your Notepad++ v8.5.3, as usual
Click on the Windows Logo key and, simultaneously, hit the R key
In the Execute window, type in Explorer.exe and hit the Enter key

=> The File Explorer program should start

Clic on the ‘STAR’ and type in the string %appdata%\Notepad++
Valid with the Enter key

=> You should normally see a shortcuts.xml file, along with some others files

Clic on the shortcuts.xml file and drag this file into your notepad++ window

=> You should see, in the section, your macro named calcio (prime correczioni)

Now, open the Replace dialog ( Ctrl + H )
Untick all box options
SEARCH ‘
REPLACE \x{2018}
Check the wrap around option
Select the Regular expression search mode ( IMPORTANT )
Click on the Replace All button
Save the changes of your shortcuts.xml file
Close Notepad++
Restart Notepad++

=> Your macro should be OK and do what it is designed for :-)

Best Regards,

guy038

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 25 May 2023 16:53:59 GMT

Massimo Piscopo — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:53:59 GMT

I’ve a similar problem.
I’ve created a macro doing a lot of things, included changing “word” into ‘word’ (look for ‘ ’ instead of " ").
This worked ok until last update (8.5.3, build May 15 2023 06:07:16).
Now the macro (I don’have touched it) change “word” into

& # x 2 0 1 8 ; w o r d & # x 2 0 1 8 ;

Please ignore spaces: if I don’t insert spaces, this forum convert “& # x 2 0 1 8 ; w o r d & # x 2 0 1 8 ;” into " ‘word’ " and it’s impossible to understand what I mean.
I need Notepad++ don’t “convert” the ‘ ’ symbols.

I’ve tried to search my macro recorded but I don’t find it in shortcuts.xml. Where I can find it? My macro is called “calcio (prime correzioni)” but in shortcuts.xml I find only “Trim Trailing Space and Save”. BTW the date of shortcuts.xml is from 2021 and maybe my macro was created after.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 25 May 2023 11:50:19 GMT

Alan Kilborn — Thu, 25 May 2023 11:50:19 GMT

@guy038 said in HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later:

Note the contents of the macros Test_CRLF , Test_LF

I can duplicate your poor results with these two. :-(

if we should trigger an GitHub issue for these oddities ??

Either that, or post about it in the 8.5.3 release thread, HERE.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 25 May 2023 07:23:31 GMT

guy038 — Thu, 25 May 2023 07:23:31 GMT

Hello, @wonkawilly, @datatraveller1, @alan-kilborn and all,

Oh… Of course, I forgot to mention that, in my previous posts, I refered to macros already created by a user with a N++ version prior to v8.5.3 !

If, with N++ v.8.5.3, you just create a new macro, containing one or several line-break(s), it’ll be correctly recorded !

However, I noticed some oddities when recording these line-breaks !

Follow these different actions for testing :

Open N++ v.8.5.3
Open a new tab
If the line-break format of the new tab is not Windows (CR LF), in the status bar, change it with the command Edit > EOL Conversion > Windows (CR LF)
Start recording a macro with the command Macro > Start Recording
In the new tab, just type in the string ABC and hit the Enter key
Then, type in the string DEF and hit , again, the Enter key
Stop recording the current macro with the command Macro > Stop Recording
Click on the the menu option Macro > Save Current Recorded Macro...
Give the name Test_CRLF to this macro
Delete all contents of this new tab with a Ctrl + Z operation
Change the EOL format of the new tab to Unix, with the command Edit > EOL Conversion > Unix (LF)
Start recording a macro with the command Macro > Start Recording
In the new tab, just type in the string GHI and hit the Enter key
Then, type in the string JKL and hit , again, the Enter key
Stop recording the current macro with the command Macro > Stop Recording
Click on the the menu option Macro > Save Current Recorded Macro...
Give the name Test_LF to this macro
Delete all contents of this new tab with a Ctrl + Z operation
Change the EOL format of the new tab to Mac, with the command Edit > EOL Conversion > Macintosh (CR)
Start recording a macro with the command Macro > Start Recording
In the new tab, just type in the string MNO and hit the Enter key
Then, type in the string PQR and hit , again, the Enter key
Stop recording the current macro with the command Macro > Stop Recording
Click on the the menu option Macro > Save Current Recorded Macro...
Give the name Test_CR to this macro
Close N++ v.8.5.3, without saving the new tab
Restart N++ v.8.5.3
Open your active shortcuts.xml file
Note the contents of the three macros Test_CRLF , Test_LF and Test_CR :
- In the Test_CRLF macro, the first part of each EOL recording is the CR character ( OK ) but the second part is CRLF and not LF ( ?? )
- In the Test_LF macro, the two EOL recording are the CRLF characters and not the LF chars ( ?? )
- In the Test_CR macro, the two EOL recording are correctly the CR characters ( OK )

I don’t know, if we should trigger an GitHub issue for these oddities ??

Best Regards

guy038

P.S. : I’ve just seen the @peterjones’s post… and will have a look at it !

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 24 May 2023 20:00:41 GMT

PeterJones — Wed, 24 May 2023 20:00:41 GMT

I was going back through some of the posts here, to see if there are improvements that can be made to the FAQ.

@guy038,

I do not think that your macro really adds a line-break when you use the \x{000D} and \x{000A} syntax in the node of your shortcut.xml file, in N++ v8.5.3

I think you misread @datatraveller1: you seemed to asssume he changed to the literal

If that had been the case, it wouldn’t work. But based on the “find what” and “replace with” in the post you replied to, he actually followed the advice found in the FAQ, which is when editing shortcuts.xml to use Notepad++ Replace window to run a regex search-and-replace. Using the “find what” and “replace with” that @datatraveller1 mentioned, and which I suggested in the FAQ, will change the sequence to the actual CR character and with the actual LF character.

Later, @guy038 also wrote:

Duplicate the line , as many times as the number of chars to be inserted, including a possible line-break, with the Ctrl + D shortcut

There’s no need. The macro recorder just puts one character per 2170-message, but that’s not a restriction of the macro playback. If you are editing a macro and want to insert the text èòù[CRLF], the single action

will work (assuming the linebreak in the sParam is really a CR and LF)

That said, based on what I’ve re-read here, I will suggest the Alt+013 and Alt+010 methods of entering those characters, and using the Character Panel (or Run > Run… > charmap.exe) for entering characters that aren’t on your keyboard.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 24 May 2023 11:48:53 GMT

Alan Kilborn — Wed, 24 May 2023 11:48:53 GMT

Certainly copy and paste of a character from another source also works fine as an alternative to using the Character Panel, which has a limited number of possible characters anyway.

But, as stated, probably Character Panel is a good choice for carriage-return and line-feed characters.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 24 May 2023 19:26:13 GMT

guy038 — Wed, 24 May 2023 19:26:13 GMT

Hi, @wonkawilly, @datatraveller1 and all,

But, of course, if a character is available on your keyboard, you may, as well, just type in this character !!

It’s only for special chars as line-break chars and some others that you need the help of the Character Panel

For instance, for the line-break chars, just use the method, described in my post to @datatraveller1, using ALT + 013 and ALT + 010, on the numeric keypad

guy038

P.S :

@datatraveller1, The best when creating macros is to open the Character Panel, first and :

Double-click on [ CR and ] LF, each time you want to insert a line-break in a macro
Double-click on any character when this char is not available on your keyboard !

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 24 May 2023 09:25:42 GMT

datatraveller1 — Wed, 24 May 2023 09:25:42 GMT

@wonkawilly As far as I have understood @guy038 and the FAQ, you simply have to replace the old values UTF-8 encoded literally with è, à etc.

I’m not sure if something like Python would work for the macro system but I partly agree that it is a bit ugly sometimes - In my case I don’t like that real line breaks get inserted into shortcuts.xml.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 24 May 2023 07:35:14 GMT

wonkawilly — Wed, 24 May 2023 07:35:14 GMT

@guy038 said in HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later:

here is the right way to enter any character according to the new behaviour of macros, in N++ v.8.5.3!

The right way became a little bit more cumbersome than before… I rather like to write whole string with the keyboard or even better by voice.

I have to say that if there is a thing that I really hate about N++ since the first usage is the macro system. I would like to see it replaced with a better language for example js, py, cs or else, keeping the capability to record commands executed into N++ and adding the possibility to modify a macro written into a real and serious programming language that is easily human readable and modifiable than the macro system actually implemented that is really ugly.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 24 May 2023 08:21:21 GMT

guy038 — Wed, 24 May 2023 08:21:21 GMT

Hello, @wonkawilly and All,

Finally, @wonkawilly, here is the right way to enter any character according to the new behaviour of macros, in N++ v.8.5.3!

Open your active shortcuts.xml file in Notepad++
Insert the empty template, below, at the end of the Macros section, right before , in your shortcuts.xml file :

Duplicate the line , as many times as the number of chars to be inserted, incuding a possible line-break, with the Ctrl + D shortcut

=> In your exemple, we’ll add four lines

~~~

Put your caret/cursor between the two double-quotes of each sParam attribute
Open the Edit > Character Panel menu option
Double-click on the characters to insert, located under the ‘Character’ column of the Character Panel. Thus, for the line-break chars, just double-click on CR, then LF !

=> We get this functional macro :

Save your shortcuts.xml file
Close and restart N++

Enjoy your Test macro !

Best Regards,

guy038

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Wed, 24 May 2023 06:00:39 GMT

wonkawilly — Wed, 24 May 2023 06:00:39 GMT

I am having that kind of trubble my self too. I am getting errors of encoding in simple strings with accents for example with the use of the following caracters: à ù ò.
Please have a look at the following picture:

Maybe the new implementation is not yet complete.

Thank for reading.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Mon, 22 May 2023 07:58:03 GMT

datatraveller1 — Mon, 22 May 2023 07:58:03 GMT

Hi @guy038 thank you, CR and LF got inserted as real line breaks with the FAQ solution:

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Mon, 22 May 2023 05:20:33 GMT

guy038 — Mon, 22 May 2023 05:20:33 GMT

Hello, @datatraveller1, @peterjones and All,

@datatraveller1, I do not think that your macro really adds a line-break when you use the \x{000D} and \x{000A} syntax in the node of your shortcut.xml file, in N++ v8.5.3

Personally, adding the following section, in my portable N++ v5.8.3 installation :

Results, when running this macro in a new tab, by the insertion of the literal text ABC\x{000D}\x{000A}

Whereas, selecting the string, between the double-quotes of the sParam attribute, and :

Hitting the ALT key and, pressing simultaneously the 0, 1 and 3 keys, on the numeric keypad, does insert a true CR character
Hitting the ALT key and, pressing simultaneously the 0, 1 and 0 keys, on the numeric keypad, does insert a true LF character

In the last two lines Action of the macro and gives this text :

IMPORTANT : If you paste this text in a new tab, don’t forget to change the line-break of two last lines with CR and LF, instead of keeping two CRLF lines !

Just select the two chars CRLF of the last two lines and use the ALT + numeric keypad method to change the first line-break as CR and the second one as LF. Delete any non-intentional leading TAB chars, too.

Running this last version of the macro does write the ABC string followed with a Windows line-break CRLF ;-))

My debug info :

Notepad++ v8.5.3   (64-bit)
Build time : May 15 2023 - 06:09:36
Path : E:\853_x64\notepad++.exe
Command Line : 
Admin mode : OFF
Local Conf mode : ON
Cloud Config : OFF
OS Name : Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
OS Version : 22H2
OS Build : 19045.2965
Current ANSI codepage : 1252
Plugins : 
    mimeTools (2.9)
    NppConverter (4.5)
    NppExport (0.4)

Best Regards,

guy038

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Sun, 21 May 2023 20:30:20 GMT

datatraveller1 — Sun, 21 May 2023 20:30:20 GMT

So I have found the solution (thanks to @PeterJones) in the FAQ:
Find what: Replace With: \x{000D}
Find what: Replace With: \x{000A}
with Search mode set to Regular Expression and run Replace All.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Sun, 21 May 2023 17:22:45 GMT

datatraveller1 — Sun, 21 May 2023 17:22:45 GMT

@PeterJones I have a macro which inserts a new line:

gets inserted literally instead of a new line (CR/LF) with version v8.5.3. I tried to use “\n” instead but this gets inserted literally too. What am I doing wrong?

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 18 May 2023 14:00:48 GMT

PeterJones — Thu, 18 May 2023 14:00:48 GMT

@Grath777 said in HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later:

I am doing find/replace in Regular Expression mode where the find and replace fields also both include a tab character which we define in the macro thusly

Searching for or replacing a tab character in a Regular Expression doesn’t need to have the tab character encoded like that: you can use the regular expression syntax \t in both the Find What and Replace With fields and have it work. So in your macro source, where you had a in a search or replace field (so in the sParam="..." of the message="1601" for Find What and in the sParam="..." of the message="1602" for Replace With, per Search and Replace Macros in the User Manual), you could just use a \t instead, which will avoid all the macro issues.

Reply to HELP: Having trouble with Macros in v8.5.3 or later on Thu, 18 May 2023 13:57:20 GMT

Grath777 — Thu, 18 May 2023 13:57:20 GMT

@PeterJones Confirmed that took care of everything. Thanks again!