Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++

Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:43:26 GMT

dr ramaanand — Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:43:26 GMT

@guy038 Oui, merci beaucoup!

Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sun, 27 Apr 2025 19:16:45 GMT

guy038 — Sun, 27 Apr 2025 19:16:45 GMT

Hello, @dr-ramaanand and All,

Ah, I just having some spare time to answer your specific problem !

As I said in a previous post, you cannot use look-behinds as they do NOT support variable quantifiers ! That’s why I proposed a method with the ((SKIP)(*F) feature, which works properly.

In order to found out other methods, let’s begin with a simplified problem :

Starting with this INPUT text :

DEF  ABCDEF   ABC     DEF  ABCDEF   XYZDEF   ABCDEF

The following regex S/R :

FIND (?-is)ABCDEF(*SKIP)(*F)|DEF

REPLACE 12345

Matches only the DEF string when NOT preceded with the ABC string

After the replacement, we get this OUTPUT :

12345  ABCDEF   ABC     12345  ABCDEF   XYZ12345   ABCDEF

If DEF is preceded by ABC, NO replacement occurs
If DEF is NOT preceded by ABC it replaces the string DEF by the string 12345

Now, using the same INPUT text :

The following regex S/R :

FIND (?-is)ABCDEF\K|(DEF)

REPLACE ?{1}12345

Detect an empty match, when the DEF string is preceded by the ABC string
Detect some selected text, when the DEF string is NOT preceded by the ABC string

But, due to the group, in the final part of the regex and due to the conditional replacement, it would produce this OUTPUT :

12345  ABCDEF   ABC     12345  ABCDEF   XYZ12345   ABCDEF

As previously :

if DEF is preceded by ABC, NO replacement occurs
if DEF is NOT preceded by ABC it replaces the string DEF by the string 12345

Let’s apply this new regex S/R to your problem. Thus, from this regex :

FIND (?:]*?color\s*:\s*black[^>]*>\s*|]*?color\s*:\s*black[^>]*>\s*]*>\s*)(*SKIP)(*F)|

If we simply replace the (*SKIP)(*F) part by \K AND if we put all the right branch of the alternative within a group, this S/R becomes as :

FIND (?:]*?color\s*:\s*black[^>]*>\s*|]*?color\s*:\s*black[^>]*>\s*]*>\s*)\K|()

REPLACE ?1[REPLACED text]

When just searching, the non-interesting matches will be notified as an empty match and the correct matches will be notified as selected text.

And if a global replacement occur, with the Replace All button, this regex would just replace the same occurrences as with the (*SKIP)(*F) method !

Try against your INPUT text, pasted in a new tab : you should get 2 empty matchs and 4 selected range of characters. And, after replacement you’ll left with four zones [REPLACED text].


•••••some text here
some text here





•••••some text here


some text here


some text here



Now, it’s not the end of the story ! Imagine that, against the same INPUT text, below :
DEF  ABCDEF   ABC     DEF  ABCDEF   XYZDEF   ABCDEF

We use this simplified regex S/R :
FIND (?-is)ABC\KDEF|(DEF)
REPLACE ?{1}12345
Note that, this time, the \K is placed before the string DEF
So, it would match any string DEF, whatever it’s preceded or NOT by the ABC string
But, due to the group, in the final part of the regex and due to the conditional replacement, We would get this new OUTPUT text, after a click on the Replace All button
12345  ABC   ABC     12345  ABC   XYZ12345   ABC



if DEF is preceded by ABC, it replaces the string ABCDEF  by the string ABC


if DEF is NOT preceded by ABC it replaces the string DEF by the string 12345


This S/R is a variant of the previous one which may interest you in some cases !

In short, I cannot imagine, presently, other methods than the two above, with (SKIP)(*F) or \K
Remember, that the look-arounds structure does not seem appropriate to your style of search !
Best Regards,
guy038



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:46:06 GMT
dr ramaanand — Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:46:06 GMT
@Alan-Kilborn That RegEx should be (?=(?=(?'a'[\s\S]*))(?'b'eat_(?:apple|pear|orange)_(?=\k'a'\z)|(?<=(?=x^|(?&b))[\s\S])))today|yesterday - I corrected it on stackoverflow but my edit is awaiting moderation (others can see it with my corrections only after my edit gets approved). For your information, those are positive look behinds with a capture group named ‘a’ and a capture group named ‘b’ and need to be changed to negative look behinds. I am unable to skip anything with this or this. I want the result to be like in post#16



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sun, 27 Apr 2025 12:29:51 GMT
Alan Kilborn — Sun, 27 Apr 2025 12:29:51 GMT
@dr-ramaanand said:

The answer by User Doqnach mentioned at … can be used as an example.

Well, trying that (/(?=(?=(?'a'[\s\S]*))(?'b'eat_(?:apple|pear|orange)_(?=\k'a'\z)|(?<=(?=x^|(?&b))[\s\S])))today|yesterday) in Notepad++ yields:

This is an error message I don’t think I’ve seen before.
Note that I tried it on a smallish file where nothing would have matched.



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sun, 27 Apr 2025 12:21:35 GMT
dr ramaanand — Sun, 27 Apr 2025 12:21:35 GMT
@guy038  The answer by User Doqnach mentioned at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25563891/variable-length-look-behind can be used as an example.



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sun, 27 Apr 2025 11:33:30 GMT
Alan Kilborn — Sun, 27 Apr 2025 11:33:30 GMT
@dr-ramaanand said:

www.drregex.com/2019/02/variable-length-lookbehinds-actually.html?m=1

Doesn’t appear to be a valid link, in fact, it seems to point back to the N++ Community site??
THIS is probably the correct link.



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sun, 27 Apr 2025 11:55:24 GMT
dr ramaanand — Sun, 27 Apr 2025 11:55:24 GMT
@guy038 you can use the idea mentioned at www.drregex.com/2019/02/variable-length-lookbehinds-actually.html?m=1 if you please, for the above RegEx. @PeterJones can include that formula in the Notepad++ manual also, if he pleases.



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sat, 26 Apr 2025 17:23:21 GMT
dr ramaanand — Sat, 26 Apr 2025 17:23:21 GMT
@guy038 So, if you have an alternative method to the (*SKIP)(*FAIL) method for the block posted right at the top of this thread for testing to match the same string you posted in post#16 above, please post it here



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Sat, 26 Apr 2025 13:20:35 GMT
guy038 — Sat, 26 Apr 2025 13:20:35 GMT
Hello, @peterjones and All,
Peter, Done ! Refer to :
https://community.notepad-plus-plus.org/topic/26812/generic-regex-how-to-use-the-couple-of-backtracking-control-verbs-skip-fail-or-skip-f-in-regexes
I also added a link to this post in your FAQ: Generic Regular Expression (regex) Formulas post.
Best Regards,
guy038



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Thu, 24 Apr 2025 16:50:45 GMT
dr ramaanand — Thu, 24 Apr 2025 16:50:45 GMT
@guy038 I will understand it only after you post that regular expression (RegEx) here



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:51:59 GMT
guy038 — Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:51:59 GMT
Hello, @dr-ramaanand,
When I said :

To propose alternatives to the (*SKIP)(*F) syntax when it’s possible !

I’m not talking about a work-around, using a several-steps regex, but, indeed, other direct regexes, without the (*SKIP)(*F) syntax, which are, sometimes, even shorter !
You’ll understand what I mean., sooner !
Best Regards,
guy038



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:20:52 GMT
dr ramaanand — Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:20:52 GMT
@guy038 please create the blog to show how to use the (*SKIP)(*FAIL) regular expression, not an alternative to it. @PeterJones may be able to create an alternative to it. If @PeterJones wants to still use his method for what I have typed as my block for testing, he can do it in 2 parts; first using the regular expression, (]*?color\s*:\s*black[^>]*>\s*|]*?color\s*:\s*black[^>]*>\s*]*>\s*)\K() in the find field and a unique string (say for example, a unique name like, “Czeslawski”) in the replace field, he can replace the  with that unique string. Then he can do what is needed to the other strings of  and then again replace the unique string (“Czeslawski” in this case) with . If it is something simple, this example should be sufficient: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17286667/regular-expression-using-negative-lookbehind-not-working-in-notepad



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Thu, 24 Apr 2025 10:38:11 GMT
guy038 — Thu, 24 Apr 2025 10:38:11 GMT
Hello, @peterjones and All,
OK. I going to prepare a blog post regarding the (*SKIP)(*F) feature !
However, be patient because I’ll try, first  :


To find out some other pertinent examples from various regex sites


To propose alternatives to the (*SKIP)(*F) syntax when it’s possible !


BR
guy038



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:56:15 GMT
Alan Kilborn — Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:56:15 GMT
@dr-ramaanand
Peter’s last point (which you missed) was that lookaheads are best done with native regex syntax, because it is more obvious that way.
And he probably would have confused you less if he had left out (negative or positive) from his sentence; doing that doesn’t change the meaning.



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:14:19 GMT
dr ramaanand — Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:14:19 GMT
@PeterJones The (*SKIP)(*F) method can be of variable width but it can be used only for negative look aheads and negative look behinds



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:01:34 GMT
PeterJones — Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:01:34 GMT
@dr-ramaanand said in Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++:

The wonderful thing about the (*SKIP)(*F) method is that it can be used for negative look aheads also like this

But pointless, because lookaheads (negative or positive) can have variable width, so if you want a lookahead, just use a lookahead.



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Wed, 23 Apr 2025 10:47:36 GMT
dr ramaanand — Wed, 23 Apr 2025 10:47:36 GMT
@PeterJones The wonderful thing about the (*SKIP)(*F) method is that it can be used for negative look aheads also like this:-
(MAIN Regex Search)(String1|String2)(*SKIP)(*F)|(MAIN Regex Search)
                                               |
<------------- What I want to SKIP ------------><-What I want to MATCH->




Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Wed, 23 Apr 2025 10:00:57 GMT
dr ramaanand — Wed, 23 Apr 2025 10:00:57 GMT
@PeterJones We can add another line below the above RegEx explanation like this (to explain it better):-
<------------- What I want to SKIP ------------><- What I want to MATCH ->




Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 23:36:54 GMT
dr ramaanand — Tue, 22 Apr 2025 23:36:54 GMT
@PeterJones I have understood what @guy038 is trying to convey (and I have been using it). A template would be useful and this is an example: (xyz)(*SKIP)(*F)|(z) is like a negative look behind which skips finding any z if it is preceded by y or x (the order of the  x and y  need not be the same) but finds all other occurrences of z - post no.16 shows how he used it for the block I typed for testing at the top of this thread
I would prefer a template like this:-
(String1|String2)(MAIN Regex Search)(*SKIP)(*F)|(MAIN Regex Search)
                                               |
<------------- This I do NOT want ------------><- This I DO want ->




Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 19:31:47 GMT
PeterJones — Tue, 22 Apr 2025 19:31:47 GMT
@guy038 said in Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++:

you could mainly use the general template, below :

@guy038 , that’s an awesome template.
I highly encourage you to write up a short blog post about it, and then link to that new post from the Generic Regex Formula FAQ, because I think that’s a formula that could end up being useful.
(I would just link to your post in here, but the focus is this particular example, which I think would be too complicated for most readers to understand.  Doing a simpler example in the blog would be useful, I think, to help people translate your “template” into a real regex.)



Reply to Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++ on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 18:58:45 GMT
mpheath — Tue, 22 Apr 2025 18:58:45 GMT
@dr-ramaanand said in Negative lookbehind regular expression not working on Notepad++:

@PeterJones You may want to study what is mentioned at https://www.rexegg.com/regex-lookarounds.php to understand how to use your method of regular expression for multiple negative look behinds. This is the specific regular expression I believe can help: (?<=(?


Please explain why as I am not a believer.
To be more explicit in detail, you have an issue and now you consider nested within nested within nested regular expression is a solution to your problem?