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    • cmeriauxC
      cmeriaux
      last edited by

      Here is a screencast of the POC I’ve did. https://youtu.be/_s6BJf4sdw4
      I’ve added controls to select the search mode:

      • Mode normal
      • Mode extended
      • Regular exp
      • . matches new line (for regex)

      It’s less than 100 code line. So it has good chances to be accepted by the author.
      Using regexp mode is very nice, specially if you’are not the RegExp king

      Would you prefer several control (like in the screen cast) or a combo box to select the search mode ? I hesitate.

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      • Alex MA
        Alex M @cmeriaux
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        @cmeriaux i would prefer several control by far!!!

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        • Alan KilbornA
          Alan Kilborn @cmeriaux
          last edited by Alan Kilborn

          @cmeriaux

          So the one of us here (@guy038) that understands regex and its applicability and usefulness better than anyone else, makes a statement like:

          I’m really dubious about the advantages of regular expressions in incremental search

          and yet we proceed? Well…okay…

          Would you prefer several control (like in the screen cast) or a combo box to select the search mode ? I hesitate.

          I would vote for a dropdown.

          It is easier to change with a radiobutton approach – don’t use checkboxes like in the screencast! – but since @guy038 and I and … aren’t ever going to change it away from Normal, it’s okay. :-)

          It seems like the text for the modes should exactly correspond to that used on the Find screen as well – I noticed in your screencast that it does NOT correspond.

          @Alex-M said:

          i would prefer several control by far!!!

          Can you clarify what that means? After several readings it doesn’t make sense, to me at least.

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          • Alan KilbornA
            Alan Kilborn @cmeriaux
            last edited by

            @cmeriaux

            One more point: I thought @Ekopalypse said somewhere that if incremental search were going to be improved, he’d like to see the size of the text input box be wider, and probably scaled to the size of the main Notepad++ window. How about making that change as well?

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            • guy038G
              guy038
              last edited by guy038

              Hi, @cmeriaux, @alan-kilborn, @asvc and All,

              Ah, Christophe ! Your Youtube animation is really valuable ! As they say in France: “A single image is better than a long speech !”. So, when I said :

              Like Alan, I’m really dubious about the advantages of regular expressions in incremental search !

              Now, I won’t be so hesitant and suspicious about it ! Indeed, despite of the fact that, in regex mode, the result of search, necessarily, does not respect a logic progression, I do see, now, the great advantage of an immediate match, as mentioned by @asvc, especially for beginners and intermediate regular expression users ;-))

              I certainly do not want to appear as a guru, always having the best opinion on any subject. I am not infallible and able to recognize that I was wrong and that my judgment was a hasty fear ! As always, only practice will tell us the real potential of Incremental search, in extended or regex mode but I think it would be really useful to include this new feature in a next release ;-))

              Most of a time, we’ll probably use the normal mode. But I admit that the possibility, from times to time, to run a regex or extended search is really a + !

              Best Regards,

              guy038

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              • Alan KilbornA
                Alan Kilborn @guy038
                last edited by

                @guy038 said in survey: Incremental search usefulness:

                I certainly do not want to appear as a guru

                Certainly no one thinks you try to be, you’re just doing the best you can.
                You can’t help how others see you, up on the regex mountain. :-)

                Now, I won’t be so hesitant and suspicious about it

                Sure, OK…now I stand alone at not seeing a great amount of value in incremental regex search.
                It doesn’t bother me.

                Let’s see if it gets accepted.

                But…how about other constructive criticism on the screencast, from someone other than myself?

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                • EkopalypseE
                  Ekopalypse @cmeriaux
                  last edited by

                  @cmeriaux

                  Yeah, that’s what I’d like to have too. Very nice.
                  I’d rather have a combo box, and as @Alan-Kilborn said, the input field should fill the remaining space.
                  Another thing that is obvious but easy to forget is that each control should be created with WS_TABSTOP so I can use the TAB key to access it.

                  @guy038 - Ein Bild sagt mehr als tausend Worte (A picture is worth a thousand words)

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                  • cmeriauxC
                    cmeriaux
                    last edited by

                    hello,
                    here is a new version with a dropdown list to select the mode. each string is same as the classical find dialog.
                    it’s much consistently that way (for the UI and the Code)
                    Tab stop hasn’t been forgotten ;-)
                    I’ve increased the width of the input field (much easier than filling the remaining space )
                    https://youtu.be/lnfJBeb2RkU

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                    • asvcA
                      asvc @cmeriaux
                      last edited by

                      @cmeriaux said in survey: Incremental search usefulness:

                      Here is a screencast of the POC I’ve did. https://youtu.be/_s6BJf4sdw4

                      Yessss. Thanks heaps.

                      @cmeriaux said in survey: Incremental search usefulness:

                      Would you prefer several control (like in the screen cast) or a combo box to select the search mode ? I hesitate.

                      Good question.

                      • Check-box: one click less to toggle mode
                      • Drop-down: visually cleaner and allows to preserve space for the input field

                      I vote for the combo-box with (ideally) assignable hotkeys. For example:

                      • CTRL+F – live regexp search
                      • CTRL+SHIFT+F – open dedicated search window
                      • ALT+SHIFT+F – something else.
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                      • Alan KilbornA
                        Alan Kilborn @cmeriaux
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                        @cmeriaux :

                        I’ve increased the width of the input field

                        Have you opened an issue on this for github? Or maybe there is an existing one?
                        If one hasn’t been opened yet, with the addition of widening the input field maybe we are in the area of general improvements to incremental search, and the issue should reflect that.

                        What I’m getting to is another general improvement that I believe @guy038 brought up: The ability to switch back to the editor window without closing the incremental search window. Currently Esc closes the incremental search window and switches back, but it is rather visually disruptive to close the window when you are probably going to use it again soon.

                        I’d be okay with Esc switching focus back and a different keycombo (alt+f4 ?) closing the window.

                        The second video has a nicer look than the first. Well done.

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                        • cmeriauxC
                          cmeriaux
                          last edited by

                          Thanks for you feedback.
                          Dop-down solution won.
                          I’ve created an Issue (https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issues/8247)
                          and a Pull request for the things I’ve done ( https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pull/8248 )

                          A Nigthly build is available if you want to test or to play.
                          https://ci.appveyor.com/project/cmeriaux/notepad-plus-plus/builds/32773840/job/yhkoe9ieaxdmkwuf/artifacts

                          Let’s create other issue for other demands. Let’s keep Pull Request as small as possible to increase the probability to be integrated.

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                          • guy038G
                            guy038
                            last edited by guy038

                            Hi @cmeriaux,

                            I downloaded your test build, but I got the message :

                            "This application is not a valid Win32 application Surely connected to my old Win XP WP3 configuration !!


                            On the other hand, Christophe, what about a Whole word only option, which could be useful in Normal search mode ? Of course, it should be forbidden in case of regex search !

                            BR

                            guy038

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                            • Alan KilbornA
                              Alan Kilborn @cmeriaux
                              last edited by

                              @cmeriaux said in survey: Incremental search usefulness:

                              A Nigthly build is available if you want to test or to play.

                              A better link for this might be the more upper-level one:
                              https://ci.appveyor.com/project/cmeriaux/notepad-plus-plus/builds/32773840

                              That way users of either 32-bit or 64-bit can follow the links down to grab the trial executable they would need. So, as an example, if you want the 64-bit exe, you could click on this:

                              70cf30b2-0afa-4ac7-9c14-506ab6cb5fee-image.png

                              and it would lead to a screen with this on it somewhere:

                              c9dbae9e-4c54-464a-b66c-e0f282bdc106-image.png

                              From there you would click Artifacts and this would take you to a page where you can actually download the trial version.

                              So what you would do would be to download and put the exe in the same folder as your normal v7.8.6 executable notepad++.exe is; then run the trial exe instead of the normal one. Another option is to grab a portable .zip version of 7.8.6 and replace put the downloaded .exe in the extraction folder for that.

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                              • cmeriauxC
                                cmeriaux
                                last edited by

                                Hi @guy038 i’ve already though about whole word only option , but what’s the interest of incremental search if it’s not incremental due to whole word option. So I decided to not overload the UI.

                                About the nightly build test, it’s strange. Have you every managed to run a nightly build (x64 or x86 or mingwin). I don’t know what to say. what about moving to win10 ? Sorry for the troll.

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                                • guy038G
                                  guy038
                                  last edited by guy038

                                  Hello, @cmeriaux, @alan-kilborn and All,

                                  I gave a try, using the @alan-kilborn’s link => Same negative result. But, don’t bother about it, never mind !


                                  Now, regarding the Whole word only option, I’m usually using, for instance, the Firefox browser which has this option, though it searches in an incremental way ;-))

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                                  Cheers,

                                  guy038

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                                  • astrosofistaA
                                    astrosofista @Alan Kilborn
                                    last edited by

                                    @Alan-Kilborn

                                    Good advice, thank you. Without it I would have failed to install the test build.

                                    It looks nice :)

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                                    • Alan KilbornA
                                      Alan Kilborn @astrosofista
                                      last edited by

                                      @astrosofista said in survey: Incremental search usefulness:

                                      Good advice, thank you. Without it I would have failed to install the test build.

                                      Yes, one thing I didn’t mention that maybe I should have:
                                      There’s a Scintilla DLL artifact there as well, but as there typically aren’t often changes made to the Scintilla part of Notepad++, the one that comes with a recent Notepad++ releases should be fine to use for tests like these.
                                      Also, I’m not sure these Scintilla DLLs are “signed”?

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                                      • cmeriauxC
                                        cmeriaux
                                        last edited by

                                        @Alan-Kilborn Thanks alan for all the details you gave about nightly build.
                                        Inded the scintilla.dll ant notepad++.exe are not signed

                                        The nightly build issue on @guy038 computer means that DonHo release Npp++ with another compiler/options than AppVeyor tools (Visual Studio 2017) which may not support windows XP.

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                                        • asvcA
                                          asvc
                                          last edited by asvc

                                          In light of the response from @donho… What are our options?

                                          I have downloaded AppVeyor build, replaced SciLexer.dll and notepad++.exe in the NPP directory and got this:

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                                          2521a599-7c90-4106-8cf7-3bcc721438a2-image.png

                                          Restoring old SciLexer.dll fixes the issue and Notepad++ launches with the brand new Regexp powers in the quick search bar! Thanks @cmeriaux .

                                          As I do believe we can find a way to convey viability of this feature to mr. Ho, let’s think about next steps.

                                          Would it be possible to highlight all matches instead of the 1st one? I have tried “Highlight all” checkbox – does not work.

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                                          • cmeriauxC
                                            cmeriaux
                                            last edited by

                                            inded @donho refused the feature, I’m very disappointed

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