I quit. You win. I'll go find another tool.



  • After installing xmlTools five times this year in order to get the XML tools running again in NPP, each time an “update” came along and wiped out the only thing in this tool that was worth a crap. I give up. You win; after many years of happy use, I’ll go find another tool.

    To the developers: don’t quit your day job, whatever that is.



  • welcome to the notepad++ community, and sadly maybe an immediate farewell from the notepad community too, @brian-dines

    we are sorry to hear that, and i apologize for the current developers’ test versions above version 7.5.9.

    but rest assured, that none of the versions you installed (7.6.0 and above) were deployed as an update, when a user presses ? > update notepad++.

    you can see the current update releases, where the built in updater gets the newest available auto update version, here: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/update/getDownloadUrl.php.

    normal users will currently not be able to update to anything higher than 7.5.9, unless they manually download a new installer from here and install it over their existing version, like you probably have experienced.

    all plugins location changes were posted clearly, on every download page, so that power and pro users know what changes they should expect when conducting a manual upgrade.



  • current developers’ test versions above version 7.5.9

    if so, then instead of marking release as 7.6, 7.6.1 and so on, why not beta version. So that apart from power and pro users will not touch those versions at all.



  • you are correct as many times before, @SinghRajenM 👍
    yet none of the notepad++ updates above 7.5.9 were forced as an auto-update to anyone.

    only power users, who noticed that there was a newer version than the 7.5.9 available through the auto-updater, and “really wanted” to have the newest stuff, went to the npp download page and manually installed the newer version over their existing version.
    (reader’s note: on a fresh install, noone would have experienced any difference regarding old plugins paths, as a fresh install does not have to care about existing plugins, due to the lack of their existence)

    i understand the situation everyone is involved in, and i guess any releases with plugin location changes, or any other which breaks some compatibility, are very tricky to handle.
    i believe that it’s much more difficult to release them in any different way than the way it has been done.

    i recall that @donho directly invited us all to give input and test all changes, prior to the 7.6.0 release and to all following versions, and we did comply.

    now if we consider the vast amount of feedback, different scenarios, and problems, we received from non regular users, after the release:
    (things we have not discovered at the community ourselves in advance, nor were discovered by the devs, prior to the public 7.6.0+ releases)

    i think we would not have all of this information yet if it would have been kept a hidden beta, as very few people would have tried it out, and many regulars are so used to notepad++, that we tend to miss out simple things, that can be a “disaster” to others.

    … and … i guess many of the regular community members, including me, currently don’t mind supporting every single case again and again with patience 😉



  • Some people are update junkies. They always actively seek out new releases to their favorite software, because they are 110% confident that bugs have been fixed and features have been added. Hmmmmm.



  • @Alan-Kilborn

    i somehow love those kind of junkies, easily predictable and usually easier to support.

    and just imagine if i’d open up this community page and not have such simple requests …
    … i’d get kind of a personal crisis, if either there are no requests at all, or only requests i’m not capable of assisting 😉



  • @brian-dines said:

    After installing xmlTools five times this year in order to get the XML tools running again in NPP, each time an “update” came along and wiped out the only thing in this tool that was worth a crap. I give up. You win; after many years of happy use, I’ll go find another tool.

    Sorry again for the convenience.
    Glad that you find another alternative.

    To the developers: don’t quit your day job, whatever that is.

    I won’t. I cannot live with this weekend project, and I don’t want neither.



  • @SinghRajenM said:

    current developers’ test versions above version 7.5.9

    if so, then instead of marking release as 7.6, 7.6.1 and so on, why not beta version. So that apart from power and pro users will not touch those versions at all.

    Beta version is a good idea for finding bugs generally. However such problem cannot be solved by beta version.
    This issue needs a great amount of users to find a good direction. I cannot see another path than from 7.5.9 until the latest version.
    We will loose some users certainly, but it’s above all for me to find the right direction for the future version.

    I thank you all for your pertinent suggestions during the reforge of Plugins Admin.



  • @donho said:

    @SinghRajenM said:

    current developers’ test versions above version 7.5.9

    if so, then instead of marking release as 7.6, 7.6.1 and so on, why not beta version. So that apart from power and pro users will not touch those versions at all.

    Beta version is a good idea for finding bugs generally. However such problem cannot be solved by beta version.
    This issue needs a great amount of users to find a good direction. I cannot see another path than from 7.5.9 until the latest version.
    We will loose some users certainly, but it’s above all for me to find the right direction for the future version.

    I thank you all for your pertinent suggestions during the reforge of Plugins Admin.

    @donho I feel our this situation was good qualifier for beta. This way

    1. Layman (who is not techie and just wait for autoupdate instead of manually update) will not be affected.
    2. If someone is downloading npp from site (may be first time or may be on newly arrived machine or may be re-ghosted pc etc.), will not download beta unless one knows what s/he going to do. So if something goes wrong too, they will understand as in beta such design bugs are expected.
    3. However, whoever is willing to support community will anyhow come upfront and will support.
    4. Beta version could act as filter between complain and feedback. 😜

    So in the end, it is like win-win situation where users (most of) will be happy and feedback for developers also will be honored.

    reader’s note: on a fresh install, noone would have experienced any difference regarding old plugins paths

    @Meta Chuh, hmmm. May be bit true, but not completely. Coexistence of 32bit and 64bit was affected, then installation because of DACL, zero size and many more. But all those are acceptable when there is big change in the design. So those releases are best fit for beta.



  • yes, Beta versions is a good idea.



  • @SinghRajenM

    Strangely I sort of agree with Don that perhaps “beta” wouldn’t have ferreted out all of the problems with Plugin Admin… I know, that IS strange to agree with that. Well, maybe I don’t strongly agree.



  • I follow you! Have you find another efficient tool?



  • @unbagolo

    I follow you! Have you find another efficient tool?

    yes, after years of thorough research, i finally found the most efficient and reliable tool.

    top feature:
    it works perfectly on power outage without any data loss.
    (technical note: a power outage during night time requires the candle plugin to ensure an uninterrupted workflow)

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  • @Meta-Chuh

    Does it feature column-selection and manipulation? :)



  • @Alan-Kilborn

    I assume there a ruler needed :-D LOL



  • @Alan-Kilborn

    yes, also multi cursors can be set at each column, by using the optional ruler plugin vertically.

    best feature: all content manipulation can be done one-handedly, by using the built in write/erase dual-purpose function of the stylus … this newly developed stylus is an absolute breakthrough in technology, and the best stylus ever. 😉



  • @brian-dinesThe

    Russians say …the taste and color of different markers)



  • @andrecool-68

    ahhhhh, you’re back from antarctica 😉👍
    welcome back.



  • @Meta-Chuh
    No…I write from Antarctica



  • During update, there is a checkbox for plugins, I have this unchecked.

    The wording of this dialog does not clarify the exact meaning, it may or may not have an affect on existing plugins…

    Theme / Style irks me. I’ve had to fix them many times over the years. Comments are the worst, using Vibrant Ink theme is very close to my preference but comments are too dark, among other things.

    I should not have to drop the project I’m working on to work on NPP.



  • @Gubith said:

    I should not have to drop the project I’m working on to work on NPP.

    From my “test” background, I carefully control when I update software, sandboxing it when possible to make sure it is going to work before mainlining it. As N++ is someone’s hobby project, with no guarantees, I’d suggest you do the same.

    Of course, you can always make the switch to some other text editor to ease your pain. ;)


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