New enhancement for User Defined Language System

MAPJe71

Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to name the new folder “userDefinedLanguages”?

donho

Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to name the new folder “userDefinedLanguages”?

It’s rather userDefineLang.xml file and userDefineLangs folder. It’s for aligning with the file and it’s abbreviation so it’s OK I think.

MAPJe71

Where will this new folder be located?
Alongside autoCompletion?

MAPJe71

IMO “userDefinedLanguages” for the folder would be better for the long run, makes more sense language wise (English) and especially when the file “userDefineLang.xml” is fased-out.

donho

FYI, in master now.
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/commit/dfb9b5e330c2fe3dcfea436f969e213f001ece05

rddim

After running the build from https://ci.appveyor.com/project/donho/notepad-plus-plus/build/job/n82i8ew6qjympvis/artifacts the userDefineLang.xml file is gone… Not tested with x64 build

rddim

Also can not exit NPP when create or import a new UDL via the UDL dialog

Meta Chuh

@rddim
yes, i can confirm both.

steps to reproduce:

take a new portable notepad++ 7.6.3 x86
open notepad++.exe (old 7.6.3 exe) and create a dummy udl
exit notepad++
download Notepad++.Win32.Unicode Release.exe (1.0.2578) copy it to the portable folder and open Notepad++.Win32.Unicode Release.exe
(dummy udl is still present)
close notepad++
now npp.7.6.3.bin\userDefineLang.xml will be deleted
reopen Notepad++.Win32.Unicode Release.exe
(the dummy udl has disappeared)
create another dummy udl and try to exit notepad++
now notepad++ will crash and the window can only be closed by killing the task

Meta Chuh

by the way @donho

this is a really nice feature, once this little crash/delete bug is solved. 👍
especially because it has not been mandatory split into one udl per xml.

i can, for example, create my favourite multiple udl collections as one file packages, and name them e.g. BestOfMetaUDLCollection_Volume1.xml, WorstOfMetaUDLCollection_Volume13.xml 😉 and so on.
they will not even get in conflict, if the same udl name is used in two installed udl volumes.

(reader’s note: while testing, i also discovered, that i can have multiple old/new udl versions with the same name at the same time, as long as each of them is inside another custom_udl.xml. they will be listed twice … comes in very handy for comparing different versions of the same udl, without the need of renaming one, nor the need to open them in two separate notepad++ instances.)

very much appreciated 👍👍👍

donho

@rddim Thank you for the bug report. 2 bugs has been fixed here:
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/commit/494b4bc0dba79511ca7673b7995a2205efdc8bfa

@MAPJe71 said:

Where will this new folder be located?
Alongside autoCompletion?

Yes.

Meta Chuh

@donho 👍

splendid, i’ve tested your commit and can not reproduce any of the reported issues anymore.

i’ve also tested what could happen, if we have multiple udl xml files with the same udl language name in each of them:

all modifications to a multiple existing udl with the same given name, will be correctly written to the corresponding
userDefineLangs\udlCollectionName.xml file (or userDefineLang.xml, if they were originally there) 👍

much appreciated, cool feature

Alan Kilborn

@Meta-Chuh

I like your enthusiasm…for everything Notepad++ related, including the topic of this thread. How about compiling all of the information on UDL, including all the tricks and tips, and publishing it somewhere?

Meta Chuh

@Alan-Kilborn

i agree with you, but i think it is not necessary to put topics like the new udl features in the faqs, as it is not a feature that will be used by the majority of notepad++ users.

publishing too much information will clutter the faqs and i assume that people, who are capable of creating an udl, will use the search option of the notepad++ community forum 😉.

if we get too many questions about the new udl features in the future, we all can re-evaluate together, if it makes sense to add this to the faqs.

btw and off topic: alan, i guess i will try not disagree with you in the near future again … my experience has taught me, that you have good reasons and a very good sense of prediction. 👍

rddim

Yes, this is a great feature to have separated UDLs. I really hope that can be used to have an option to install UDLs via Plugins Admin (for example). My idea is to have a new tab for this and UDLs that are stored in a repository with option for the users to add and commit a new ones.

Alan Kilborn

@Alan-Kilborn

I didn’t mean in the FAQ here

i’m in no position to publish anywhere else, except here at the community, and in this case you’ve addressed me directly, which also means not addressing members that have the needed authority to do so.

knowledge provided in individual postings…and pull it together all in one place.

i might be of service to answer single and simple questions in an understandable way, but i don’t think i am capable of writing a whole manual of this extent.

would you have the time to do so ?
if yes, i suppose it will also be one of the best guides around, as you are not yet very familiar with udl and therefore you are able to write a guide that can easily been understood by inexperienced users, due to writing it while learning to use it.

reason: in my experience, many guides written by pro’s or by me, are difficult to understand, if a reader wants to start off from zero knowledge.
and on the other hand, i’ve seen manuals, written by (former) beginners, which are perfect for both beginners and pros, as they are written in a way the author himself would have understood as a beginner, if he had such a guide when he started out himself.

I don’t know about that!!!

i suppose it’s sarcastic, but if not, you will understand if you re-read the only one post where i ever disagreed with you, and all of it’s surroundings.

pnedev

Hi @donho ,

Sorry for the off-topic question but when will this PR be merged:
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pull/5190 ?

Are you also planning to merge PR https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pull/5225 ?

scot-65

A few concerns on the proposed UDL enhancement…

a) What will be the file naming convention of the individual UDL’s?
b) UDL’s are user settings. Are user settings located in the AppData area and not in Program Files?
c) Should the Auto Complete files, which are considered user settings, (also) be located in the AppData section?
d) I wish to package together the UDL file(s) and Auto Complete file(s) as one zip file. Will there be file name conflicts?

Scot-65

Meta Chuh

@scot-65

a) What will be the file naming convention of the individual UDL’s?

the file name can be literarily anything.xml.
the included udl or multiple udls in this “collection” do not have to match the .xml file name.

b) UDL’s are user settings. Are user settings located in the AppData area and not in Program Files?

yes, they will be created at %AppData%\Notepad++\userDefineLang.xml, and can be moved/copied/renamed to %AppData%\Notepad++\userDefineLangs\.
this folder will probably be the preferred location for a future deployment of a descriptive yourUdlCollection.xml, instead of overwriting an existing userDefineLang.xml.

c) Should the Auto Complete files, which are considered user settings, (also) be located in the AppData section?

this is a tricky question, because on one hand they are currently located at %ProgramFiles[(x86)]%\Notepad++\autoCompletion, but on the other hand it would make sense to allow a user specific version at %AppData%\Notepad++\autoCompletion\ which is, afaik, currently not implemented.

d) I wish to package together the UDL file(s) and Auto Complete file(s) as one zip file. Will there be file name conflicts?

with the new udl collections: no, as they can have any names, and don’t reside at the same location as a default userDefineLang.xml.
with the autocompletion.xml files themselves yes, as a same name xml, like html.xml, would replace the existing file at %ProgramFiles[(x86)]%\Notepad++\autoCompletion.

note: this information is based on the current pre-release builds, with the newest udl features already implemented.
anything currently known, might (or might not) still be subject to change.

Christoph von Wittich

Could you please search for these .xml files in %ProgramFiles%\Notepad++\userDefineLangs folder as well?
We would like to preinstall extra UDL files for all our users.

Meta Chuh

welcome to the notepad++ community, @Christoph-von-Wittich

if you want to deploy udls for all users right now, you could use a %ProgramData% install (see option 1).

this installation type will allow deployment of udls for all users to %ProgramData%\Notepad++\userDefineLangs\.
it will also allow central settings for all users, and enable users to use plugins admin without admin rights, e.g. to update plugins.

another way for default installs, is to use the cloud settings to define a locally shared folder, which is accessible for all desired users. note: to share this setting on default installs, you have to define a config.model.xml, which will be deployed as config.xml to all users that do not have a config.xml yet, or alternatively make the changes to the existing config.xml files located at each user’s %AppData%.

best regards.