Notepad++ 7.6 & new Plugins Admin
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This one-post-per-20-minutes limit on us newbies is a killer…
I did an uninstall and re-install. This cleared up the problem.
To answer the questions:
- the install folder is the default.
- the appdata usage is allowed (unchecked).
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@donho said:
Then you have to modify your plugin to adapt the new plugin folder structure. There’s no way back for this point. OTOH, I can promise you that such policy will be remained. So you won’t modify your code all the time.
I like this new policy, unfortunately Bookmarkmanager isn’t my plugin, I’m not a programmer, just a simple user.
I tried to say, that to see the markers during Edit, I have to copy the “images” folder to the plugins folder ( “C:\Program Files (x86)\Notepad++\plugins”) in my case, if you (the Notepad++ installer) remove it from there.
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@donho There seems to be a bug in this version that does not accurately count the number of characters in a file.
I have several large script files that now show a discrepancy between the size reflected in Windows (at a CMD prompt) and with Notepad++
Other text utilities reflect the correct file size with Windows. All of them used to be in harmony just a week ago, prior to this update.
-ASB
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please make a local test copy of one of the script files where the reported length in the notepad++ status bar doesn’t match neither the reported size in cmd nor in the explorer properties.
make sure it is on a local disk and not on a network drive.
make sure it is not in a compressed folder !then open this copy in notepad++ and check the size comparing np++ length and cmd bytes
if the sizes still differ:
open this copy in notepad++
in the np++ menu go to:
encoding > convert to ansi (or utf-8 if needed)this makes sure no additional bom header is written to the file
optionally go to:
edit > eol conversion > unix (LF)
and then back to
edit > eol conversion > windows (CR LF)this eliminates mixed line endings, in case some of your files have inconsistent end characters (mixed 2 byte crlf and either 1 byte cr or lf in some lines, as it happens if you are using different editors on different platforms for the same file.
please report back and let us know whether the sizes match after above steps or not.
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one thing i forgot to mention:
make sure you are able to save the test copy after converting the encoding before rechecking the size.
in some rare cases you’ll see a greyed out save button after the encoding change, then please convert back and forth between ansi and utf-8 to make the save button accessible -
@donho said:
OK, I see. How about an empty file pluginsForAllUser.xml makes Notepad++ load from %ALLUSERSPROFILE% ?
It would be better to load from both locations. That we, if there are shared/global plugins they will be read from the All Profiles locations + the user-specific location where they will have unique plugins.
No need for the extra file to trigger the behavior.
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@dinkumoil said:
The reason why plugins are no longer installed to %ProgramFiles% is according to this comment of @donho the following:
The reason of installation to <Userprofile>\AppData\Local\Notepad++\plugins<plugin-name> is Microsoft’s Universal Windows Platform. A UWP package is immutable so there’s no way to install plugins into Notepad++ installation directory.
It seems like he wants to publish its own Windows Store App variant of Notepad++, thus there is no way back to installing plugins (even partially) to %ProgramFiles%.
Oh a Windows Store App variant? Urgh… I’d rather an MSI installer for the regular Windows Notepad++ application.
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@AJ-Stevens said:
Oh a Windows Store App variant? Urgh… I’d rather an MSI installer for the regular Windows Notepad++ application.
Agreed.
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Where can I find the new Plugins Admin tool? After fresh install (32 or 64 installer), the plugin menu is missing and no Plugins Admin tool. After coping some plugins in the %localappdata%\Notepad++\plugins in can see the plugin menu, but not the new Plugins Admin tool.
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A question that has been asked a few times in keeps getting ignored: Me and a few others have made a fresh install of 7.6 and we dont’t get a plugins menu or the plugins admin is nowhere to be found.
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@mathcalvo said:
Where can I find the new Plugins Admin tool? After fresh install (32 or 64 installer), the plugin menu is missing and no Plugins Admin tool. After coping some plugins in the %localappdata%\Notepad++\plugins in can see the plugin menu, but not the new Plugins Admin tool.
Where to find it? I am missing something?@Max-Brante said:
A question that has been asked a few times in keeps getting ignored: Me and a few others have made a fresh install of 7.6 and we dont’t get a plugins menu or the plugins admin is nowhere to be found.
How to troubleshoot this?If you installed Notepad++ using another account with Administrator rights but are now trying to run Notepadd++ as a normal user account, you’ll find the Plugins menu missing, as the Plugins Admin and default plugins are installed only for the user account that installed/updated Notepad++. Generally this is the recommended setup for a corporate environment, whereas at home a user may login to their computer as an administrative account.
This is the problem we’re discussing with the developer, alone with the location and permissions of adding in plugins based on various corporate and personal environments requirements. Some corporate environments want strict controls on the delivery of plugins and prevents users from installing plugins (remove any options to), only allowed to use the ones IT deploy. Some corporate environments are happy to leave the Plugin Admin function there, but require it to use Admin rights, and some are happy for users to be able to load in plugins as they wish (though these should be to individual user profiles), and some want to be able to specifically pre-load some plugins on a computer for all users of that computer, but also allow users to install their own plugins, however some prefer that the Machine level IT installed plugins supersede the user plugins if there’s a conflict and some prefer the user plugins to supersede the machine installed plugins.
Typically to force the requirement of Administrator rights for plugin installation, would be to locate the plugins directory under a protected directory, such as Program Files, and via a program setting that is only changeable with administrator rights to ignore/not permit user profile location plugins.
So basically, there needs to be a variety of options added to Notepad++ at installation, ideally as switches, which can be changed in Settings but only by first elevating to Administrator rights, a safe place for these settings would be Machine level registry or installation folder and some behaviour by Notepad++ to use dual location of the install path and the user profile path, depending on what settings have been set. One such setting would determine whether there is any point putting the plugins and theme folders in the current profile installing Notepad++ or whether it should keep these in the installation directory and copy to the next or all user profile that starts Notepad++ on a first run.
Manual Fix
To manually fix it, look for the C:\Users<username>\AppData\Roaming\Notepad++\ folder in your username profile and the username profile that was used to install Notepadd++, you’ll find a “plugins” folder and a “themes” folder, move these two folders from the installer profile to your own profile. Then start Notepad++ and you’ll have plugins menu and the Plugins Admin.
If it is an administrator account, you’ll need the administrator or IT department to get to these files and move them to your profile for you as a normal user account will be blocked from accessing an administrative user accounts profile.
Note that if you install any plugins using the installer account (such as by using Run as Administrator), these are stored in the C:\Users<username>\AppData*Local*\Notepad++\plugins folder, move these to your profile to save redownloading/installing them again.
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Maybe also worth explaining for some that %AppData% is a shortcut to YOUR folder, the full path is C:\Users<username>\AppData*Roaming*\ and %LocalAppData% is a shortcut to YOUR folder, the full path is C:\Users<username>\AppData*Local*\
The difference between Roaming and Local? If you had a roaming profile (used in some corporate domain environments), the Roaming folder goes with your profile to other computers when you logon for consistency of settings and preferences between Workstation (computer), whereas the Local is only on that specific machine and does not “roam” with you.
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they don’t get ignored, but most of us are already tired of repeatedly posting the steps and reasons again and again
did you select the option “do not use %appdata%” while installing to C:\Program Files or C:\Program Files (x86) ?
you can check if you look at ? > debug info > local conf mode, if it is on, then you did.if yes, then reinstall notepad++ from here https://notepad-plus-plus.org/download/v7.6.html
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Hello,
My “PortableApps” updated Notepad++ and I cannot control the plugins in any way.
What can I do?
I would not want to touch the system folders and config in any way.
Please let me know.
Regards
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Hello, When does this bug with plugin will be fixed?
We cannot manually change the directory of the plugins for 100 pc’s we need so that notepad++ still check in program files directory for the plugin directory.
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What do you mean with
I cannot control the plugins in any way.
I guess you updated to Notepad++ v7.6. This version provides no ability to manage plugins (browse list, install, update, uninstall) for portable versions. I assume the PortableApps version relies on the official portable version, thus it lacks the features of plugin management too.
But you can continue to use your already installed plugins. Since Notepad++ v7.6 changed the directory structure required for plugins the program doesn’t load them currently.
I’ve digged in my desk for an USB stick with PortableApps v14.4.1 (it’s rather old but I guess its directory structure has not changed). In this version Notepad++ plugins are installed in
<Drive>\PortableApps\Notepad++Portable\App\Notepad++\plugins. There you will find some DLL files whose names should be similar to the plugin names you know from the Notepad++ user interface.You need to create a separate directory for every plugin as a subdirectory of the
pluginsdirectory, which has to be named exactly like the plugin’s DLL file, except the .dll extension. In this directory you have to move the DLL file itself and all other files and folders which are related to the plugin. There might be also files/folders inPortableApps\Notepad++Portable\App\Notepad++\plugins\docrelated to the plugin, in this case it is importand to create adocdirectory inside the plugin’s own directory and move these files/folders fromplugins\doctoplugins\<plugin-name>\doc.But it is still not guaranteed that all plugins will function properly after doing that, it depends on how a plugin assembles the access paths to its companion files. You have to play around with every plugin to test if everything works properly. If you find a regression (e.g. help or manual doesn’t open, missing icons, errors when starting Notepad++ mentioning a special plugin) try to copy back the related files/directories to their original location. Additionally you should contact the plugin author to request an update that adopts the new plugin hosting model of Notepad++.
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This behaviour is not a bug but it is a decision of the developer of Notepad++ to change the program’s behaviour.
I understand that it is annoying to reconfigure a whole company’s PC (and I’m also not a big fan of these changes ) but you have no choice.
I recommend to wait with that until the next release of Notepad++ because the location to store plugins will get changed once more, but finally, to the %ProgramData% directory, see here.
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Thanks for your answer. However I do not have time for this. I also uninstalled and re-installed NPP so my old plugins are gone now, I will look eventually to one of my backups. I was under the assumption that the new plugin manager is actually better even if maybe not all the plugins are here yet. if the new manager does not allow plugin management as you say, then the new feature is largely inferior to the old one.
For the moment I will uninstall the portable version and install the normal one, hoping you will fix this in the near future. In the meantime I will try to find different portable editors.
I appreciate however your work, keep on doing great things. However I insist on having portable versions on my pcs.
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@donho The installer for 7.6 requires UAC elevation, and since I’m not an administrator, I can’t install Notepad++ 7.6 even for just myself. I thought this was possible with installers for earlier versions? Or was I mistaken?
I tried unzipping the .7z archive. I can certainly run Notepad++ from there, but the Plugins Admin is missing so I can’t install any additional plugins.
Is there some other way to install, that will allow me to use the Plugins Admin?
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Hello,
as already said, I’d add once more that N++ should be able to manage both 32and 64b pluggins and probably also local and user plugin folder, as for some reason some people who want to use the portable version may not want plugins to be created in a user folder.
For the 32/64b version as already said, sometime you want to use 32b version for plugins and sometime the 64b version for large file (even if very large files may not be opened with N++ …)
the probleme here with the new version is user should make a choice between large file or plugins.
Of course this issue will probably disapear when plugins will be available in both 32 and 64, but not now.
So maybe the right choice would be to work on converting plugins to 64b, some of them are really useful (like compare and XML …)
