Fix corrupted txt file (NULL)

  • @Shrikant-Shrinivas said in Fix corrupted txt file (NULL):

    Is this some Advanced Coding Logic

    It’s worse than that. It’s Microsoft. They apparently designed their copy of fopen/fflush, which are standard C functions, to require an extra setting to tell the Microsoft OS that when you fflush, you actually want the file written to disk, rather than to just pretend that the file gets written to disk hoping that MS will eventually really flush the contents to disk. So when you use fp=fopen(path, "wt"); fprintf(...); fflush(fp);, if you’ve done programming with any C compiler by any company other than Microsoft, an experienced programmer would believe that the file was written to disk, because that’s what fflush is supposed to do; not so with Microsoft’s library: they require you to use the c mode-modifier to tell the MS library that you want to “commit” the file directly to the disk when fflush is used.

    I learned long ago, when Microsoft’s brilliant “autosave/autorecovery” didn’t work as expected and I lost megs worth of complicated Excel number crunching, that I was going to trust no software – no matter whether by MS or some open-source guy in his basement – to be 100% reliable with my critical data, and instead I use multiple backup and version control techniques, to make sure I am in control of my data, not “someone else”. If I lose data, I have no one but myself to blame.

  • @PeterJones People putting up their hands, giving up! Sorry to say, but that does’nt show much commitment on the part of the development team towards the cause of data integrity. And doesn’t make the NPP team much of an ambassador for the Open Source movement. The impression this cultivates in every aspiring User is that yes, Open Source software may work and have some features, but using it would be like walking through a minefield. You never know when it would blow in your face. And they’ll keep a safe distance, because what are these but hobbies, not serious software. That Kind of a Sentiment being created, doesn’t work well for us, we need people to use, to benefit, to grow using Open Source software, and later to come back, and patronize.
    See, nobody is compelling anyone to sit and code software, and keep the Source open and free. It’s our choice. But it’s important that, whatever we do, little or great, we do it with all our heart. And that we are really committed to bring forth a finished, complete, and stable product.

  • @PeterJones It would help no one, neither me, you, nor us, if we choose to be Evasive, and take Comfort in passing the Buck to Microsoft. Regardless of the OS, these facts still stand out, and these are the Questions we need to ask ourselves.
    Leaving the OS aside, what is the Commitment to Data Integrity Strategy that NPP applies.

    1. Does Notepad, every time it launches, have a check, a marker, where it evaluates the last shutdown, and only when it confirms that everything is kosher, then proceed?
    2. Does it Maintain a Marker in the First place? Not too tough to put that in place. (I am not a Coder, I am an Engineer and Manager and all I can offer is Common-sense and simple logic). One can have a Mirror Save of all the Edit (Undo) information that each file has. (Which is in Memory, which kicks in when we press Undo on each file). Plus the File Content, actually, whatever is in Memory. A Mirror could be maintained, a locked one for NPP alone, and unreadable for other programs. Not many copies of it but the Current.
      (Guess this may not be too important, though: And this Mirroring Logic also checks, if the current one that it is using to over-write is immaculate, and whatever changes are coming are the usual human changes (an algorithm could check that). So that the result of some crash, or misadventure, is not used to over-write authentic data…)
      In any case, with this Strategy, I have an incorrupted state, always being maintained, one copy of it, saved somewhere in my hard disk and not purely in Memory.
    3. And now, I come to two Scenarios. Have a Regular PC shutdown, a regular Closing of NPP (or) some System Crash, or Blue Screen, or whatever. NPP registers in the Marker, the Type of the Shutdown, whether it is Kosher and beyond any doubt (or) whether it is a Crash
    4. When the NPP is relaunched, if it is Kosher, it restarts the usual way. (I would like the Undo Information also to be reloaded, but if that would make the Memory demand too high, the User could be given the option to refresh the file, and take off all the Undo information, if he is totally assured about the Present State for each file)
    5. But if THE LAST SHUTDOWN WAS A CRASH, it checks and uses some internal Compare facility, and checks on various parameters, the RAM version against the Saved Marker, and in whichever file there is a difference, it brings it up on Screen. That way the user is not taken by surprise, and left bewildered, but has all the options on all that is possible, and can take the best decisions to preserve his data.
      (WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE OS, NPP DOES NOT & SHOULD NOT LOAD A NULL FILE. I CAN’T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC ON WHY IT DOES THAT AT PRESENT. WHO WOULD EVER AUTHORIZE THE LOADING OF A NULL FILE! OF WHAT USE IS A NULL FILE TO ANY ONE! LOADING THAT IS MISCHIEVOUS! YOU COULD RATHER ALERT THE USER THAT IT IS NULL. WHICH YOU COULD IF YOU HAD A CHECK ROUTINE THAT CHECKS FOR DATA INTEGRITY). Ok, you might blame that Microsoft was the Idiot who thought it fit to load that Null Character file into Memory. But is NPP also not an Idiot to think it fit to load that Null Character file into it’s Memory and display it on Screen. For any Auto-save plugins to then save that Null file over the previously Saved files and wreak havoc.
      The Whole Set of Code that allows the Null file to be loaded and saved is mischievous. Makes me kind of agree with Ben’s Sarcastic renaming of Notepad as Nullpad.

  • @PeterJones Yes while having an OS-independent Strategy like above, let’s also in addition to that, make full use of the OS’ provisions at the same time. It is definitely wise and of value to check with the OS on ‘how’ the OS dumps files in their latest updated avatar. And properly understand how they are doing it, the latest parameters for those commands. And certainly test whatever you have coded, and then check that the results are as you intended. And if not pursue that and fix it. If the OS requires a ‘commit’, it is their OS, and they have the right to modify their code. Our part should have been to TRY OUT, and TEST. If we had done that, we would have found EARLY that there is a problem with the way the OS is handling the Dump. And that the command is not yielding the expected results. A little pursuing would have informed us much early that a commit is required, and not had us leaving a trail of destruction behind us.

  • @PeterJones I am Repeating myself, but really can’t understand why NPP doesn’t keep a (Internal Mirror Save) of the File State, and Edit/Undo Information that each File has, which at the Moment they have in Memory; Written and Saved into the Hard-Disk as a System File, that will be used if there is any Corruption or Deletion in the Undo Information in Memory.
    The Reason I say this is that THERE IS NOTHING MORE DESERVING than Notepad of my System Resources, Hard Disk space and Memory. And I believe Everyone would agree. It’s not like Text Files take that much space, either. Much of every other thing we do on the PC, comes in the Recreational Category. NPP is where we bring out our Imagination, and where our Real Work gets Captured, especially for Coders and Writers, it is our Juice. And for many of us, that probably is the Main Reason we have our PC for. Atleast for me, I would gladly commit to NPP as much resources as it wants. NPP is critically important.

  • Data Losses make us Desperate, and often to go into over-reacting responses which cause damage of their own. And since NPP throws shit on our faces once in a while, we have to browse, search, learn/plan/include all kinds of Strategies, making it a part of how we work. We shouldn’t need to, if NPP would take Data Integrity seriously. We do all this Frantic pressing of Save, and Save all, all the time, because you never know when it would crash, and destroy all it was keeping in RAM memory. We get Auto-Save plugins and all. Would we need to do that, if the Fundamental aspect of Data Integrity was kept close by the NPP team. And then the Auto Save that was to help us not lose data over-writes Good Data with what NPP loaded into Memory, which was Clearly recognizable Bad Accident, a Null File.


    1. In the Backup Options Window in NPP, we have an option to enable Session Snapshot and PERIODIC Backup. The Impression is that there would be a Periodic Backup of Dated/Timed Sessions, possibly with a NPP Determined on the Number of Sessions it would retain, before starting to over-write the Oldest. They have a Backup Path. But the Fact is that No Session Information gets saved there. That word BACKUP makes no sense there. What on earth are you backing up and where, when the User selects that option. You could check in your NPP. So, all that Option and information is all highly misleading, isn’t it. Again shows very poor commitment to Data Integrity.

    2. Then you have a Backup on Save Option. Which I am sure most would not be able to make a Sense of whatever that could mean. If I am saving, I am already saving a file, and then what’s the intention of the Backup at that time. And NPP also gives two options there, Simple Backup, or Verbose Backup. Should some kind of a clarifying tool tip not be provided in those options. Especially when the logic of these options is something strange, and people would wonder whatever is this going to do. If this was a Bells & Whitles option, sure, we could just try it out, take potshots, and find when it hits. But this is about Data Integrity, and we can’t take a chance here. We should know for sure, what that option would do, and then reliably use it to get definitive results. Tool Tip explaining the Logic and the Thought Flow of these Options is vital, what it would do, so we know what it does not.

    3. A Good Program should not only preserve Data, but also the State, the Position of each file, and also include any Edit/Undo Data that the User could use to Rollback/Undo.
      So, we ensure that all possible Scenarios in which each of these could come under attack. A Couple that I can think of is when a File that is open in NPP, is also opened in another program, edited and saved there. Or if a Folder or File move is done, and the File Location changed. A Software techie could think of many more scenarios.
      But how does NPP function in these. Do a Folder Move, when NPP is closed, and it removes the moved files from the Session, just deletes them and over-writes the Session. It does not give the User any information that it is not able to find these files, should they point to another location, have the files been moved, do you want to retain that file data in memory, and save a copy, or save it over the moved file. Nothing. It’s like NPP is so trigger-happy to delete and over-write all the Session Info. And since there is no Periodic Backup, there is no option to go back to the Previous Session, and have these files re-opened. NPP is just on a Deleting, Over-writing Overdrive, leaving the User High and Dry. It is unconscionable.
      A well-designed program should make the user relaxed and care-free, and feel totally assured about data integrity, and not on the tenterhooks snorting fire as Notepad++ often gets us to.

  • What NPP shouldn’t become: Develop an apathy that has it’s roots somewhere in the thought that what we are doing is charity, and you are anyway not deserving of whatever you are getting. Did you pay anything for it, then how dare you complain. Take it or leave it, and that ‘who cares’ kind of an attitude. That attitude displays no pride about the software, no quest for excellence. No sense of just how Huge Notepad++ is, and how many throughout the whole world depend on it.

  • NPP approach cannot be. Let someone die first, and then if their relatives raise an issue with us, and we get the bug, only then we’ll raise a ticket, and then look at fixing it when we can spare the time. If something isn’t broken, and is somehow moving along, don’t touch it attitude.
    That is not how you get to be a Flagbearer.
    Data Integrity Strategy, should be system independent, and it should be periodically reviewed, and ensured that it is working in a nuclear, self-contained, and reliable manner. This is not a feature/frill issue that you tackle only when there is a bug. This is fundamental, and foundational. It has to be perfect, all the time.

    Notepad++ had already got me to tenterhooks, and even before this Null file issue, I was nearly paranoid in clicking Save all, periodically. There is a time in which there is no issue, and just when you are getting a little comfortable that your Save Strategy is ensuring some integrity, Notepad++ drops another bombshell, and boom goes another set of data. And when you seek assistance, there are ever so many people asking you to make solutions of your own, go to the cloud, use this backup that backup. Don’t expect us to care about your Data integrity. All we give is just a Toy to play with, not something you can rely on. That was never our intention. Don’t you’ll have any shame.
    It’s ok if someone really doesn’t care about their data. But where it is invaluable, and people hunt for methods, strategies, by which they can avoid data loss, there should atleast be some attention from the developers to provide options by which users can ensure that. Actually, by default, data safety options should be automatically enabled, more than leaving it to the user’s choice.

  • @Shrikant-Shrinivas ,

    I suppose somebody from the moderators here will block you for spamming the forum.
    We all got your point and we all agree it is a nasty bug.
    Paid software also has tons of bugs so you can hit a “mine” anytime. Testing scenarios cannot cover fully all situations you might get into.