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    • dinkumoilD
      dinkumoil
      last edited by

      @Shamu35-NPP

      Only in case you aren’t aware of that - I’m not involved in development of Notepad++, I’m a volunteer that tries to help people coming to this forum.

      In the following I will give you a workaround which takes some effort but it is a scriptable solution. @donho , the developer of Notepad++, decided to simplify the way plugins are loaded. The hybrid installation scenario you used in the past isn’t supported anymore. Nevertheless you are right to demand this feature.

      You could create a directory for unpacking the portable version’s ZIP file, e.g. C:\Apps\Notepad++. Set ownership of this directory to the Administrators users group. Configure its ACL to prohibit write access by normal users. Add the files needed to get Plugin Admin. Remove access rights inheritance of the directory C:\Apps\Notepad++\plugins and configure access rights in a way that normal users can write to it and its subfolders.

      Updating Notepad++ means to unzip the latest version’s ZIP package to C:\Apps\Notepad++. It should be possible to automate that as well.

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      • Evgenii PuchkaryovE
        Evgenii Puchkaryov
        last edited by

        Why would you mess with things that worked very well? Now I need to hunt for the new plugin location after every update, and things don’t really work still, like plugins won’t install or update, and I cannot find some plugins, like PyScript. My automation is broken, and I need to go back to before 7.6.
        This was a bad idea to re-do this whole thing.

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        • Shamu35 NPPS
          Shamu35 NPP @Evgenii Puchkaryov
          last edited by

          @Evgenii-Puchkaryov
          I agree absolutely!

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          • donhoD
            donho @donho
            last edited by

            @donho said:

            @ldlx said:

            will the Notepad++ installer change the NTFS right so that only users with administrator priviligues are allowed to install plugins/updates?

            Yes, you are right about it. The right to add files of this folder should be Admin only, and this feature will be in the next release.

            @ldlx The right of %PROGRAMDATA%\Notepad++\plugins\ has been modified by installer here:
            https://notepad-plus-plus.org/temp/npp.7.6.1.Installer.exe

            Could you test it and confirm me it’s what you expected?

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            • Steve OwensS
              Steve Owens
              last edited by

              What if you are not allowed to copy to <NPP_INST_DIR>\plugins\ ? My company has removed local admin access from all Windows machines. I have tried all ideas for where to put XMLTools, but I am not able to get it loaded.

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              • ldlxL
                ldlx @donho
                last edited by

                @donho said:

                @donho said:

                @ldlx said:

                will the Notepad++ installer change the NTFS right so that only users with administrator priviligues are allowed to install plugins/updates?

                Yes, you are right about it. The right to add files of this folder should be Admin only, and this feature will be in the next release.

                @ldlx The right of %PROGRAMDATA%\Notepad++\plugins\ has been modified by installer here:
                https://notepad-plus-plus.org/temp/npp.7.6.1.Installer.exe

                Could you test it and confirm me it’s what you expected?

                Just tried (Win10 1809x64)… didn’t work. Inheritance is still active.

                I had to run
                icacls “c:\ProgramData\Notepad++\plugins” /inheritance:d
                to disable inheritance (with copying the ACL, /r to remove inherited ACLs)
                -> running icacls as part of the installer should not be the favoured approach imho.

                Wouldn’t it be possible to store plugins in another folder inside %programfiles%, e. g. “%programfiles%\Notepad++ Plugins”, or “%commonprogramfiles%\Notepad++” ?

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                • Joachim TrückJ
                  Joachim Trück
                  last edited by

                  It was writen here before. But in the way it works now Notepad++ is totally broken for enterprise.

                  In an secure enterprise environment User should never be allowed to change or install plugins.
                  In an secure enterprise environment User should never be allowed to do updates on the software itself.
                  In an secure environment no code will ever be executed stored in an Userprofile!
                  In an multiuser terminalserver environment most parts of profile will be deleted after logoff to prevent long logontimes or exploding roaming profile shares. So using Appdate to install software is a no go.
                  You need an easy way to make a central configuration for the software and distribute it over thousands of machines or an multiuser machines like terminalservers. Even little changes need to be distributed without destryoing the other user configurations.
                  In an secure environment no code will ever be executed stored in an Userprofile!
                  Administrators need an easy way to distribute plugins to all his machines. No way to do this per user!!! Computers are owned by company and admin. Users should use them as is and shut up.
                  Most discussion here are only around home and hobby users. But i need the central total control one click for 100.00 Users all the same without any error solution.

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                  • Anil PanwarA
                    Anil Panwar
                    last edited by

                    where can I get plugins for latest version

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                    • Meta ChuhM
                      Meta Chuh moderator @Anil Panwar
                      last edited by

                      @Anil-Panwar

                      you can install plugins directly by using plugins > plugins admin from the top menu of notepad++

                      Imgur

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                      • V S RawatV
                        V S Rawat
                        last edited by

                        It is still too complicated.
                        phthonscript keeps its script deep in that, say C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Notepad++\plugins\config\PythonScript\scripts\script.py

                        it is a headache to reach there to put a new script file or to bring an existing script to edit in npp itself.

                        I propose you give an .ini entry in which user can decide the folder where the plugins will be used from, say
                        PluginUserPath=e:\MyData\npp\plugins

                        also give a ProgramData path for similar use, say
                        PluginProgramDataPath=e:\MyData\npp\prgdata

                        may be you can give not just User plugins folder, but also entire User folder, say
                        UserPath=e:\MyData\npp\user

                        you can study firefox and thunderbird, how we can just define the location of our data (profile) and they do everything from our moved profile folder location.

                        then we can keep our plugins and relevant files at these locations and it will be easier for us to reach them and to back them up, and also to use the same setting from multiple os (I use same thing in 210 and w8.1)

                        Thanks.

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                        • Meta ChuhM
                          Meta Chuh moderator @V S Rawat
                          last edited by

                          @V-S-Rawat

                          i use the portable version for that reason, maybe it is something you are willing to try.
                          if you do so, everything will be eg. within e:\MyData\npp and not divided to 3 places.

                          an alternative to the portable version is to install the full notepad++ package to C:\Applications\Notepad++ and select “Do not use %APPDATA%” as installer option.
                          (important, it must not be installed inside %PROGRAMFILES% or %PROGRAMFILES(X86)% due to restricted permissions to these folders)

                          best thing about both these variants are that, in addidion of making your backups easier, you can copy this notepad++ folder to any other machine with any other windows version and it will run straight away.

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                          • guy038G
                            guy038
                            last edited by

                            Hi, @meta-chuh, @v-s-rawat, and All,

                            Allow me, @meta-chuh, to add, to your explanation, that, since the 7.6 version of N++, for a manual installation of a plugin, let’s say MyAwesomePlugin.dll, we must :

                            • First, create a MyAwesomePlugin sub-folder, inside the $InstallDir\plugins directory

                            • Place the MyAwesomePlugin.dll library, as well as all the plugin structure, in the sub-folder $InstallDir\plugins\MyAwesomePlugin

                            However, as I said, in the post, below, new plugins’s organization, in the plugins folder, may prevent some plugins for being totally functional :-((

                            https://notepad-plus-plus.org/community/topic/16823/open-file-from-file-explorer-plugin-within-notepad/7

                            Best regards

                            guy038

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                            • Artem Sh.A
                              Artem Sh.
                              last edited by

                              Hello everyone!
                              I’m really don’t understand why do not let non-admin users install plugins that they want.
                              Per-machine location for pre-deployed plugins it is great, but we deploy NP++ to thousands of users (large businesses) and no one of our customers is requested specific set of plugins. Users select that they want and install by themselves.
                              With the current setup actually we don’t simplify the deployment, but receive a huge number of incidents related to missing plugins/unable to install plugins.

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                              • Meta ChuhM
                                Meta Chuh moderator @Artem Sh.
                                last edited by Meta Chuh

                                welcome to the notepad++ community @Artem-Shaturskyi

                                you could take it with a bit of humour and tell the customers:

                                it is called “plugins admin” sir, and not “plugins user”, so please don’t press it unless you are an admin.
                                we hope you enjoyed our help and wish you a nice and pleasant day.

                                😉

                                now seriously:
                                sorry for the inconvenience.
                                as far as i can tell, most of the companies wanted this security restriction and more.
                                while a tighter security makes sense to me, i can also understand that people at help desks or i.t. support will have more work to do, if notepad++ is deployed to default users.

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                                • Artem Sh.A
                                  Artem Sh. @Meta Chuh
                                  last edited by

                                  Thank you for the answer @Meta-Chuh

                                  So, is it correct that the current configuration is final (in general), and possibility to install plugins for non-admin users will not comeback (in nearest versions)?

                                  And, even if we grant full access for users on “c:\ProgramData\Notepad++\plugins” UAC message will arise anyway?

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                                  • Meta ChuhM
                                    Meta Chuh moderator @Artem Sh.
                                    last edited by

                                    @Artem-Shaturskyi

                                    So, is it correct that the current configuration is final (in general), and possibility to install plugins for non-admin users will not comeback (in nearest versions)?

                                    i don’t know for sure, as i’m only a regular user, but at the moment this seems to stay for the near future.

                                    And, even if we grant full access for users on “c:\ProgramData\Notepad++\plugins” UAC message will arise anyway?

                                    yes, uac would still be triggered if you try to install/uninstall any plugins with plugins manager.

                                    there is however a workaround, where instead of using plugins admin, the user can put the desired plugins to %ProgramData%\Notepad++\plugins manually, if you allow this.

                                    you could also create a set of self extracting zips, one for each plugin, that extracts them automatically and directly to the plugins folder of a user for an easier deployment, and if you want you could distribute the sfx’s to your users for self installation.

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                                    • Artem Sh.A
                                      Artem Sh. @Meta Chuh
                                      last edited by

                                      @Meta-Chuh thank you very much for info!

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                                      • Paulo J. F. MartinsP
                                        Paulo J. F. Martins
                                        last edited by

                                        The new plugin location is simple to obfuscated to even try to understand it.
                                        Terrible piece of work.

                                        Just one consideration:
                                        In managed environments, where what is installed or not is determined by company policies and by the administrator, users should in no circumstance be allowed to be able to install whatever piece of software, and that includes plugins.
                                        So, the new install MUST provide a way for the system administrator to install everything as in version 7.5.9 and previous, with the plugins located at %ProgramFiles\Notepad++\plugins, so that no user can install plugins - they should be limited to what the administrator gives them.
                                        If you want to provide support for multi-user - and that’s ok - then you should give the administrator the possibility to decide if users are allowed or not to install plugins.

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                                        • V S RawatV
                                          V S Rawat @Paulo J. F. Martins
                                          last edited by

                                          @Paulo-J.-F.-Martins
                                          maybe npp developers want that admins install all npp plugins so that a user can use any.

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                                          • donhoD
                                            donho @dinkumoil
                                            last edited by donho

                                            @dinkumoil

                                            BUT Microsoft has also issued the policy that files with executable code have to be stored under %ProgramFiles% because this location offers some sort of protection against malware attacks. Thus neither %LocalAppData% nor %ProgramData% is the right place for storing plugin DLL files.
                                            …
                                            How about declining the requests for a Notepad++ UWP app variant because of security concerns and because the whole concept of UWP apps is crap?

                                            Let’s discuss this issue here:
                                            https://notepad-plus-plus.org/community/topic/16982/need-suggestions-for-plugins-plugin-list-home

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