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    • cmeriaux
      cmeriaux last edited by

      dear community,
      would like to have an enhancement in the plugin admin UI so can see and sort plugins by there release date ?
      That would be cool to see quickly what’s news in plugins, It can be useful to find recent new plugin that is not already install. Once a month, or once a year, you’dd like to see what’s news…
      What do you think about that ?

      @donho think it’s a useless feature and don’t won’t to integrate is. I think this question must be answered by the community instead only one men.

      Screenshot here on GitHub
      https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/8535293/60657631-ef8c4e00-9e51-11e9-9798-7155de82f894.png

      Github thread: https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issues/5742
      Github PR: https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pull/5780

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      • dinkumoil
        dinkumoil last edited by

        @cmeriaux

        The release date is not only useful for sorting, it also shows whether a plugin is maintained actively. So yes, I would consider a release date column in PluginsAdmin to be useful.

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        • pnedev
          pnedev last edited by

          @cmeriaux ,

          That’s a good idea.
          As addition I would also mark a plugin for update if it has more recent release date than the current (even if the versions match).

          BR

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          • dinkumoil
            dinkumoil last edited by

            @all

            Too late, @donho already reverted the commit to PluginList that introduced the release date field, see here.

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            • cmeriaux
              cmeriaux last edited by

              arf !!!
              so sad !!!
              @donho you should keep your mind opened to the community. have a look to other editor and its package control (sublime text and its package control https://packagecontrol.io/). So much things to do in your admin UI ! it looks like a 20 years old UI. It’s not user freindly at all.

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              • dinkumoil
                dinkumoil last edited by dinkumoil

                @cmeriaux , @donho

                It’s not only PluginsAdmin’s UI, it’s functionality also requires great improvements. Error handling is still rudimentary (which often leads to wrong and misleading error messages or to no messages at all) and user feedback during downloading and installing plugin(s) is not existent.

                The plugin list is only delivered to users with new releases of Notepad++ and even then PluginsAdmin doesn’t check automatically for plugin updates, instead users have to check that manually.

                And there are still some old plugins which have been made obsolete by PluginsAdmin because they do not fit its requirements (e.g. including version information) or are affected by its bugs.

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                • AngryGamer
                  AngryGamer last edited by

                  Too bad more software doesn’t use a mix of “semantic versioning” and “date of release versioning”.

                  At a glance, I find “release date” to be a rough indicator of compatibility with major releases to the underlying software (like Windows 10 “feature updates” alongside AMD driver updates).

                  A plugin released after a major update is likely to be fully functional. Also, it’s useful for comparing plugins which offer similar or overlapping functionality, but one is actively maintained and the other is abandonware.

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                  • larsonreever
                    larsonreever last edited by larsonreever

                    I would consider a release date column in PluginsAdmin to be useful if it has more recent release date than the current (even if the versions match).

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                    • PeterJones
                      PeterJones last edited by

                      @dinkumoil said:

                      already reverted the commit to PluginList that introduced the release date field

                      @cmeriaux , given the door has been shut on the Plugins Admin doing it natively… I’m not a plugin developer, so I don’t know if the existing plugin interface can get you access to the meta-information in nppPluginList.dll, or whether that has all the meta-data necessary – at least for the release-date field – but maybe a plugin could be written to do that. Adding in @pnedev’s suggestion of finding plugins that have been updated since the last NPP release might be harder, since they’d have to search external resources (websites, etc) rather than just look at nppPluginList.dll info.

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                      • dinkumoil
                        dinkumoil last edited by

                        @PeterJones

                        Unfortunately the release date usually is not part of exe/dll meta data. AFAIK there even is no field in the meta-data record designated for this purpose.

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                        • Alan Kilborn
                          Alan Kilborn @cmeriaux last edited by

                          @cmeriaux said:

                          would like to have an enhancement in the plugin admin UI so can see and sort plugins by there release date ?

                          Sounds good to me.

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                          • Steven Haymes
                            Steven Haymes last edited by Steven Haymes

                            I have no problem with the Plugin Admin “as is”, but adding the release date and being able to sort on it, sounds like a good idea to me.

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                            • donho
                              donho @dinkumoil last edited by

                              @dinkumoil said:

                              It’s not only PluginsAdmin’s UI, it’s functionality also requires great improvements. Error handling is still rudimentary (which often leads to wrong and misleading error messages or to no messages at all) and user feedback during downloading and installing plugin(s) is not existent.

                              Could you point to me this issue ticket on GitHub, please?

                              The plugin list is only delivered to users with new releases of Notepad++ and even then PluginsAdmin doesn’t check automatically for plugin updates, instead users have to check that manually.

                              There’s Updates section via Updates tab. Is not what you want?
                              OTOH, the release of NppPluginList should be independent of Notepad++ release. Plugin Admin should be able to upgrade its NppPluginList when a update is available. It’ll be the priority on my radar.

                              And there are still some old plugins which have been made obsolete by PluginsAdmin because they do not fit its requirements (e.g. including version information) or are affected by its bugs.

                              It depends on the effort of authors or the community to make these old plugins available. It’s beyond my scope.

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                              • donho
                                donho @cmeriaux last edited by donho

                                @cmeriaux said:

                                arf !!!
                                so sad !!!
                                @donho you should keep your mind opened to the community. have a look to other editor and its package control (sublime text and its package control https://packagecontrol.io/). So much things to do in your admin UI ! it looks like a 20 years old UI. It’s not user freindly at all.

                                As the project manager and the main maintainer, my job is make this tool easy to use and easy to maintain. For now there are the other priorities such as the detection of NppPluginList update and upgrate NppPluginList automatically, and the wingup downloading progress bar (a GUI issue much more important than this one IMO).

                                It’s good to implement the feature you suggest, but I am not persuaded that this feature is necessary. Let’s wait and see if there will be really the FR for it.

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                                • dinkumoil
                                  dinkumoil @donho last edited by

                                  @donho said:

                                  There’s Updates section via Updates tab. Is not what you want?

                                  I would prefer if PluginsAdmin would check for plugin updates automatically in the background when Notepad++ starts up. If it would find updates it should display a message which plugins are ready for update and a button to perform these updates and a button to postpone the updates.

                                  Could you point to me this issue ticket on GitHub, please?

                                  If you mean whether I could create an issue - yes, I will do that.

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                                  • cmeriaux
                                    cmeriaux last edited by

                                    @donho thanks for your reply.

                                    It’s good to implement the feature you suggest … Let’s wait and see if there will be really the FR for it.

                                    I suggest to integerate it now or the PR might be lost or not easily integrable. Same for the plugin admin list, let’s revert the revert you’ve done or it will be paintfull to add the “release date” again

                                    Plugin Admin should be able to upgrade its NppPluginList when a update is available. It’ll be the priority on my radar.

                                    Does that means you are working on this or you’dd like some else to do this feature ?
                                    I am motivated to contribute to Npp but I don’t want to work for nothing.

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                                    • Alan Kilborn
                                      Alan Kilborn @cmeriaux last edited by

                                      @cmeriaux said:

                                      I am motivated to contribute to Npp but I don’t want to work for nothing.

                                      This may be the most powerful statement ever posted in these forums.

                                      Unless for nothing is interpreted as for free…which is not the intended meaning at all.

                                      Maybe for no reason is better. Damn, I took something away from the original quote!

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                                      • cmeriaux
                                        cmeriaux last edited by

                                        Thanks Alan for the clarification. My English is not so good.

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