Notepad++ 7.8 Release
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@Alan-Kilborn said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
I tried version 7.8 and then some earlier versions, back into the 6.x area. I don’t see any difference in any of these; to me they all appear to do the same thing when RTL is selected. From you comment I was expecting some large difference when I compared 7.8 to an earlier version. But I see no such thing.
please just try this search.
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@Alan-Kilborn said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
But that’s it. If one uses 7.8.2 and enables RTL, will we see the reported bug?
the problem is, we will see no change. (except the scroll-bar in the left, which is correct.)
in RTL mode on npp 7.8.2:
but it supposed to be like the one on v7.7.1
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Okay, I grabbed the first two lines from the section in https://ganjoor.net/bidel/ghazalbi/sh1968/ (the link from your screenshot), whcih seemed to match lines 38-39 in your screenshots. Giving us the text, or the base64-encoded version of the text so that the forum doesn’t mangle it, would have really helped.
نور جان در ظلمت آباد بدن گم کردهام آه ازین یوسف که من در پیرهن گمکردهام2YbZiNixINis2KfZhiDYr9ixINi42YTZhdiqINii2KjYp9ivINio2K/ZhiDar9mFINqp2LHYr9mH4oCM2KfZhQ0K2KLZhyDYp9iy24zZhiDbjNmI2LPZgeKAjCDaqdmHINmF2YYg2K/YsSDZvtuM2LHZh9mGIOKAjNqv2YXigIzaqdix2K/Zh+KAjNin2YUNCgI can confirm that in v7.7.1, it looks like what you showed with View > Text Direction RTL.
However, when I switched to a fresh portable v7.8.2 (straight-out-of-the-zipfile), I could not replicate your bug. When I open that file, and switch to RTL mode, I get the following screenshot, which sure looks like your expected results to me:
So I cannot replicate your bug.
I wonder if one of your plugins is getting in the way. Try running
notepad++.exe -noPluginto make sure they are not, or grab a copy of the portable zipfile and unzip to your desktop or other known writeable location, and try your experiment again. -
@PeterJones said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
I wonder if one of your plugins is getting in the way. Try running
notepad++.exe -noPluginto make sure they are not, or grab a copy of the portable zipfile and unzip to your desktop or other known writeable location, and try your experiment again.I can confirm is caused by one of the plugins:
the plugins:
to avoid confusion, I’m using two instances of npp in two languages with diffrent plugins. but the problem appears on both.
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@geminorum said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
I can confirm is caused by one of the plugins:
DSpellCheck x64 v1.4.15is causing the problem.there are other minor (compare to this one) issues on rtl, but this one prevents me from using npp.
thank you
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@geminorum said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
this one prevents me from using npp.
Unfortunately, if the plugin is causing the problem, I don’t know whether there’s anything that can be done in the main Notepad++ application; and if you reported that in the bug area, I would be very surprised if it weren’t rejected as “problem caused by plugin”.
You might try either living with v7.7.1, which works for you, or not using DSpellCheck. Or you might see if you can work with the DSpellCheck issues to see if they can help figure out what part of their plugin causes Notepad++ to mess up this fundamental issue in RTL.
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@PeterJones said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
Or you might see if you can work with the DSpellCheck issues to see if they can help figure out what part of their plugin causes Notepad++ to mess up this fundamental issue in RTL.
disabled the plugin and I will try to the DSpellCheck issues.
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@PeterJones said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
Okay, I grabbed the first two lines from the section in https://ganjoor.net/bidel/ghazalbi/sh1968/ (the link from your screenshot), whcih seemed to match lines 38-39 in your screenshots. Giving us the text, or the base64-encoded version of the text so that the forum doesn’t mangle it, would have really helped.
نور جان در ظلمت آباد بدن گم کردهام آه ازین یوسف که من در پیرهن گمکردهامsince you have the text, please try another issues:
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@geminorum said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
since you have the text, please try another issues:
in RTL mode, use left and right key to change the pointer on the text. this will be reversed on RTL for many years now. (reported issue here, here and here)Confirmed
another is the wrong selection of unicode strings. (reported here, here and here)
Not tried, but I assume that the bug reports were describing real behavior.
The next step, if you want these issues fixed, is to download SciTE, which is the Scintilla-group’s testbed editor. If SciTE (with the same version of Scintilla that Notepad++ has) shows the same bug (whether it is arrow direction or problems with other unicode strings), then the problem is with the Scintilla component, and there is nothing that the Notepad++ development team can do.
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If you can show that a SciTE and a Notepad++ with the same scintilla version (since NPP 7.8.2 uses Scintilla 4.2.0, you would want to compare to SciTE v4.2.0) behave differently – that SciTE does the right thing, and Notepad++ does the wrong thing – then the problem is with Notepad++, and if you present your data which proves that it’s NPP’s fault in a new NPP issue, it might be taken more seriously than the previous issues that you’ve linked to; I’d highly suggest methodical and thoroughly documented (screenshots for sure; video screencaptures recommended, for example using ScreenToGif), with example text that the developers can easily access without having to read a URL from an image, or to beg you for extra information.
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OTOH, if it behaves wrongly in SciTE v4.2.0 as well, then it’s the fault of the Scintilla component, and there’s nothing that Notepad++ developers can do, and the bug report would have to be made through Scintilla’s bug and feature request interface. Assuming it gets fixed in Scintilla, then once that’s released, you can lobby the Notepad++ team to incorporate the fixed Scintilla component into the next release of Notepad++.
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@PeterJones said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
The next step, if you want these issues fixed, is to download SciTE, which is the Scintilla-group’s testbed editor. If SciTE (with the same version of Scintilla that Notepad++ has) shows the same bug (whether it is arrow direction or problems with other unicode strings), then the problem is with the Scintilla component, and there is nothing that the Notepad++ development team can do.
apparently, SciTE (v4.2.0, v.4.2.3) does not support text direction:
maybe I’m wrong, but seems to me that the RTL layout is NPP feature.
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Sorry, I’m not a SciTE expert. It might be in the Options rather than the View.
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@geminorum said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
maybe I’m wrong, but seems to me that the RTL layout is NPP feature.
the order of words are reversed in NPP:
then again is correct on SciTE:
the raw text:
سیر خیال هستی رنگ فضولیی داشت از خجلت جدایی یاد عدم نکردمalso, the wrong selection of unicode strings is also appears on SciTE.
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@PeterJones said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
Sorry, I’m not a SciTE expert. It might be in the Options rather than the View.
checked all the menus. maybe it’s on SciTE config file.
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@geminorum said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
also, the wrong selection of unicode strings is also appears on SciTE.
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@geminorum said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
maybe I’m wrong, but seems to me that the RTL layout is NPP feature.
according to this, SciTE does not support RTL or Bidi.
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hi all. i have not posted before but since i think i have the solution i thought i should jump in.
@geminorum i see from your plugins screenshot you have the jN scripting plugin (and maybe other scripting plugins that i cant see) installed. if i can first of all point you to the relevant part of the scintilla docs at https://www.scintilla.org/ScintillaDoc.html#SCI_SETTECHNOLOGY
so im assuming you (or some other script you maybe dont know about) have changed the rendering technology away from the default 0 setting. i do the same because i think it looks better (in ltr english of course!). anyway this is your problem as i can reproduce exactly the results you describe. set this setting back to 0 (default) will fix your issue, or at least it did for me! -
@Diz-Q said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
i see from your plugins screenshot you have the jN scripting plugin (and maybe other scripting plugins that i cant see) installed.
I have multiple instances of NPP with and without jN, and actually not using any scripts. (just installed to use my own js lib on NPP which was a failure.)
we were talking about multiple issues:
- problem on RTL layout switch: caused by a plugin:
DSpellCheck x64 v1.4.15 - problem with reversed order of words on unicode strings: appears on NPP, no problem on SciTE.
- problem with reversed left/right arrow key in RTL: very old one, since I remember using NPP. multiple reported issues on github and almost every time, dismissed as Scintilla’s. (which apperanlty caused by NPP, because Scintilla has no support for RTL layout.)
- problem with unicode text selection on LTR and RTL, that appears on both SciTE and NPP. with multiple reported issues on github.
set this setting back to 0 (default) will fix your issue, or at least it did for me!
the SciTE that I used for test, has no config file, supposedly with default settings. but I will try the config once I can figure out how to set them in SciTE.
and thank you for your input.
- problem on RTL layout switch: caused by a plugin:
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@geminorum said in Notepad++ 7.8 Release:
- problem with unicode text selection on LTR and RTL, that appears on both SciTE and NPP.
correction: the problem is only on LTR layout (both NPP and SciTE). on NPP in RTL is working fine.
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@geminorum yeah, sorry, i wasnt clear. i was talking specifically about the rtl switch issue not the others. somehow i guess i missed the post where you said dspellcheck was the culprit so i didnt know you had fixed it at the time. maybe just a coincidence that i had replicated the exact issue as you described with a different plugin that you also happened to have installed… so weird!
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even weirder still, the dspellcheck plugin does NOT cause that issue at my end!
