how is npp's regex different from https://regex101.com/ regex?

Alan Kilborn

regextester might count as a free alternative

Might be the best bet. I haven’t liked it all that much, though.

Meta Chuh

the main difference, which might be relevant to you, as i’ve seen in the past, is the /.

in pcre/php, a regex is usually started and ended with a “/” as delimiter, followed by modifiers m, s, i, etc.
(you can find an explanation of pcre modifiers >>> here <<< )
example of a pcre regex string: /^(.*?)search_string(.*?)$/msi

therefore all / used in your regex search have to be escaped as \/ if you use it in pcre

in notepad++ your input field is just the pure regex that would be inside the two / of pcre, and modifiers are usually set separately, like checking of match case instead of leaving out the i in the pcre regex string.

as you just input the pure regex, without delimiters or modifiers in the npp search field, it’s best to watch out for all occurrences of an escaped \/ and replace them with an unescaped /

so a pcre search string like:
/^(.*?)my\/path\/to\/my.exe/msi

would have to be adapted for notepad++ like this:
^(.*?)my/path/to/my.exe

MAPJe71

FYI:

one has to distinguish two uses of “PCRE”:
a. the name of a regular expression engine library (its successor is called PCRE2);
b. indicating a regular expression engine library is PERL Compatble;
the official release of Notepad++ is compiled including the Boost Regex library which can be (and is) configured as a PERL Compatible Regular Expression (PCRE) engine;
Notepad++ compiled without Boost uses the RE engine as included with Scintilla which is ECMAScript (JavaScript) compatible;

Alan Kilborn

@Meta-Chuh

It may be worth noting that the /.../xyz style that regex101 uses has an analog in Notepad++ regex syntax that looks like this: (?xyz-uvw).... where features xyz would be turned ON as shown and features uvw would be turned OFF. Note that xyz and uvw aren’t real features, just trying to demo the syntax. This usage in Notepad++ usually leads off the regex (athough it can happen in the middle to affect only what comes after) and overrides the settings of any of the UI checkboxes. Useful features for N++ are:

i or -i : ignore case or match case, respectively
s or -s : single line mode or not, respectively (allows . to match a line-ending character, or not)
m or -m : multiple line mode or not, respectively (not sure the usefulness of this, TBH, maybe in the link above?)
x : ignore whitespace in regex for a more pleasing visual experience

Meta Chuh

@Alan-Kilborn

It may be worth noting …

maybe, but maybe not for @V-S-Rawat.

the last time i gave him an extensive answer, about how to test notepad++ commits, he politely slowed me down a bit and said, that it was too much information for him.

so i stick to the minimised information that might be of relevance for him, always knowing that he will ask if he needs anything more.

i quote:

@V-S-Rawat said: (By any chance, are you believing me to be a computer wizard? Wrong assumption, dear sir :-) )

Alan Kilborn

@Meta-Chuh

Well, we are also posting for others that might see and learn something, not just the OP. :)

Meta Chuh

@Alan-Kilborn

i just try to avoid getting reprehended again by trying to learn how to correctly respond to users i know 😉

note: if you want it to address it to all others, you can add “and all” as a suffix to the @Meta-Chuh tag, or, if it is originally not meant for me, don’t use my tag at all.

Alan Kilborn

@Meta-Chuh (meant for you!):

Sure. If it is in direct reply to something you pointed out, I hit the small reply next to your posting. If it is a generic reply, I press the blue Reply button below all postings. I think “and all” might be a bit redundant, as anybody interested can read any reply without being directly invited to. :)

V S Rawat

@Alan-Kilborn Yes, I was looking for some free site which gives regex testing totally compatible with npp. :-(

V S Rawat

@Eko-palypse I am newbie to regex so I face problem in formulating them.

npp doesn’t provide any help in developing a regex as it doesn’t tell what is wrong where.

I wanted some site like the one mentioned that would give regex that would run 100% “as such” in npp.

As that site is also having a “python” flavor of regex mentioned, I think pythonscript plugin’s regex would also be different from regex that would run from npp’s default find replace.

V S Rawat

@Meta-Chuh said:

@V-S-Rawat

the main difference, which might be relevant to you, as i’ve seen in the past, is the /.

in pcre/php, a regex is usually started and ended with a “/” as delimiter, followed by modifiers m, s, i, etc.
(you can find an explanation of pcre modifiers >>> here <<< )
example of a pcre regex string: /^(.*?)search_string(.*?)$/msi

therefore all / used in your regex search have to be escaped as \/ if you use it in pcre

in notepad++ your input field is just the pure regex that would be inside the two / of pcre, and modifiers are usually set separately, like checking of match case instead of leaving out the i in the pcre regex string.

as you just input the pure regex, without delimiters or modifiers in the npp search field, it’s best to watch out for all occurrences of an escaped \/ and replace them with an unescaped /

so a pcre search string like:
/^(.*?)my\/path\/to\/my.exe/msi

would have to be adapted for notepad++ like this:
^(.*?)my/path/to/my.exe

Yes, that was the main difference I had observed. Clarifying that was indeed helpful.

Thanks.

V S Rawat

@Meta-Chuh said:

the last time i gave him an extensive answer, about how to test notepad++ commits, he politely slowed me down a bit and said, that it was too much information for him.

:-) Sorry for that. I am a newbie at regex, and my growing age is blunting my quick learning. Smaller bites help me. :-)

Thanks for considerations.

V S Rawat

That brings me to an idea.

I assume that these regex libraries are available ready to be compiled with apps and are for free.

In that case, can boost regex library be removed from npp and can npp be compiled with other such libraries?

Can a user do it if npp code is available?

Or can I ask for this a new feature in regex that npp is compiled will “ALL” libraries of regex, and find/ replace window gets a new option of "what type of regex (“PCRE/ Pyton/ Java/…)?”

That will probably make npp the only editor that has option to use all types of regex at the tick of a check box.

What would be pros and cons of that?

V S Rawat

Also, as @Eko-palypse shared above, pythonscript provides its own regex tester, which is different from npp’s default boost regex library,

so, can flavors of all type of regex libraries be supplied as a plug-in (or one for one plug-in) to be used with npp?

I can’t do that, maybe a hint for plug-in developers.

Meta Chuh

@V-S-Rawat

btw: @MAPJe71 recently posted a free offline regex tester tool.

@MAPJe71 wrote: Additional Regex Tester tool (offline): RegEx Tester

maybe this tool can be of interest for you too.

V S Rawat

@Meta-Chuh promptly downloaded that. shall test when next requirement comes up.

maybe, npp developers can crack an arrangement with @MAPJe71 to bundle the tester zipfile with npp installer.

Eko palypse

@V-S-Rawat said:

Also, as @Eko-palypse shared above, pythonscript provides its own regex tester, which is different from npp’s default boost regex library,

True, but the closest you can get at the moment - as far as I know.
One question you haven’t answered, or I have over read, is what you are doing with the regex at the end.
If you use the find replace dialog then non of the solution will 100% fit and the closest might be
the RegexTester from PythonScript plugin.
If you want to use the regex within a PythonScript plugin then RegexTester matches 100% .

The idea of having all regex engines in one product is a nice idea but doesn’t guarantee it is always
like it is in npp. Just a note, C++ (14/17 ??) has now its own regex engine as well.

Alan Kilborn

@Eko-palypse said:

If you want to use the regex within a PythonScript plugin then RegexTester matches 100%

This is because RegexTester is written in Pythonscript itself, and calls the regex engine of Pythonscript, which is NOT the Python regex engine.

I have done some research and it is my understanding from reading some earlier postings here as well as the product description, that Regex Buddy is the best regex tester, but it is not free. It can directly use the Boost regex engine that is a close to what is in Notepad++ as one can get. Regarding not free: It depends how much time you waste having regex problems currently. It does not take much time of that sort before such a program pays for itself. And so we’re clear, I have no affiliation with Regex buddy.

Meta Chuh

off topic, but important: @Alan-Kilborn

could you please have a look at this topic link below ?

https://notepad-plus-plus.org/community/topic/17072/new-enhancement-for-user-defined-language-system/15

this is very strange, as the nodebb db got scrambled somehow.
it was the topic where we were talking about udl manuals, and one of your posts disappeared.

further more, the id’s got mixed up and out of alignment, so that instead of your post, we see rddim.

and most weird thing: my answer to your post has your name now, which is completely out of context.

afaik i suppose that it wasn’t done by the mods, as there was no reason what so ever to delete any of the posts, especially not yours.

did you by any chance accidentally or willingly delete it yourself ?
if yes, there could be some sort of bbs db bug.

note: please don’t delete this “hybrid post mixup”, because it is not yet known, if someone might need it for any investigations.
i’ve already notified don & co. about that.

Alan Kilborn

@Meta-Chuh

Strange indeed. I deleted nothing, accidentally or willingly. I do now see that a posting that is clearly authored by you is attributed to me. Maybe I look smart now. :)