Old Pythonscript stopped working

PeterJones

@V-S-Rawat said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

especially when now everything is on “autoupdate” mode, that we don’t prevent updates from being incorporated.

By the way: nothing forced you to install the pre-release alpha version. If you had just used Plugins Admin to install PythonScript in the first place, you would have gotten a version that worked as you would expect. Don’t complain about “auto updates” when nothing about the installation of 3.0.3 was automatic: you had to manually install that, by choice.

Alan Kilborn

@V-S-Rawat said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

I don’t know why you can incorporate such changes that breaks down a working script

Please try to bear in mind that all this is provided to you at NO COST.
Thus you should approach things from an attitude of GRATITUDE.
And not one of BLAME.

everything is on “autoupdate” mode

Nothing here is on full “autoupdate mode”
You have to approve all updates before they happen.
This means that it is your responsibility to know what you are doing (that is, to know what you might be getting into).

It is also your responsibility to know what versions of softwares you are using, and where you obtained them from.
AND…what differences there might be from previous versions.

So…about your issue:

Pythonscript 3.x is a major change from 1.x.
If you’ll notice, 2.x was skipped.
This is a tip off that there are huge changes, and also a nod to the fact that it uses Python 3.x rather than Python 2.7.x as its base.
If you know anything about Python, you’ll know that the major difference between 2.x and 3.x is that 3.x is fully prepped for Unicode handling.
And, in looking at your script, what is it doing?
A Unicode manipulation.
So your choices are to either figure it out (what you need to do to your script so that it works under PS 3.x, or downgrade PS to 1.x where your script will likely go back to working.

And also, learn some gratitude. :-)

V S Rawat

@PeterJones

yes it was Plugin Admin, sorry for not updating my old lingua.

this link
https://github.com/bruderstein/PythonScript
that is shown in your image takes to a page that shows this link
npppythonscript.sourceforge.net/
that again takes to the page that shows pythonscript v 1.0.8.0

so, back to square one.

where do you find this 1.5.4 version? If you could give some link I will download and install this version itself and test whether my script starts working again.

Thanks.

Rawat

PeterJones

@V-S-Rawat said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

where do you find this 1.5.4 version?

My post included a link and a screenshot.

https://github.com/bruderstein/PythonScript/releases

Note, I gave this link. But you gave the link https://github.com/bruderstein/PythonScript/ earlier, and the only way to get v3.0.3 from that site, which you apparently already accomplished, was to navigate from there through the “releases” link to the https://github.com/bruderstein/PythonScript/releases page.
So you knew that page already.

Scroll down to the first one on that page that doesn’t say “pre-release”. Note that it matches my screenshot from above:

Or use the Plugins Admin to install Notepad++, as I suggested you do. It will install v1.5.4, like I said it would.

V S Rawat

@Alan-Kilborn

It is not my first interaction on this site, and my previous interactions didn’t fetch me tags of “no cost” “nobody forced”, “gratitudeless” “blamer”, etc, that you coined.

Rather, you came here to undermine and scold me like a school going kid.

Someone has a problem that is big for him, You don’t have any solution to him, You should have stayed away and first let others help who can help. Your scolding could have come later.

but you have your priorities.

I don’t know python or pythonscript, I “assembled” my script taking codes from this that site, without understanding what it means, just that the final script did work.

Now, something happened sometime back in unknown duration, and the script didn’t work, and I didn’t come to know and might have spoiled my 90000 rows of excel data.

And it is my mistake keeping my software updated, using free software, not having gratitude. Great assessment of me.

If we use a free software, we become slave of the developer and we loose all our human rights and the developer can kill us, destroy us or our data?

Now I understand this fine print.

Thanks for your nice words.

Rawat

Alan Kilborn

@V-S-Rawat said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

this link
https://github.com/bruderstein/PythonScript
that is shown in your image takes to a page that shows this link
…
that again takes to the page that shows pythonscript v 1.0.8.0

Perhaps the problem is that the link you show takes you to a page that doesn’t directly have a “releases” button. However, if you click where it (currently) says “30 tags” you are quickly taken to the correct place.

Your linked page also shows text that says “see also (sourceforge)”.
These days I’m not sure why someone would think that a project that is on github would have a more-current hosting on sourceforge, but maybe that’s just my thinking. The “see-also…” part should have been a big clue that it is “historical”, but again, just the way I happen to think.

V S Rawat

@PeterJones

I downloade v1.5.4 and installed it,

though my Plugin Admin is still showing pythonscript v3.0.3 and when I ran my pythonscript on my text, it crashed with the message given in this image.

seems I have to first uninstall previous pythonscript, and then reinstall 1.5.4.

though I wonder whether that would all previous settings of pythonscript and delete my old script, and I have to figure out again what goes where, that I have forgotten across the years.

Anyway, going to do that. no other way out.

And Kilborn will again be angry at me that my 2 hours got wasted on all this and more is going to be spent.

Thanks.

Rawat

PeterJones

@Alan-Kilborn said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

that doesn’t directly have a “releases” button.

The “Releases” on the right (which turns blue when you hover, indicating it’s a link) takes you to the releases page, with all the alpha and permanent releases.
The “Latest” link in the green takes you to just the latest release, v1.5.4.

PeterJones

@V-S-Rawat said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

seems I have to first uninstall previous pythonscript, and then reinstall 1.5.4.

Yes. That is why I specifically said,

I would highly recommend you un-install the v3.0.3 Alpha version, restart, then use Plugins Admin to install the latest v1.5.4 full-release.

Note the words “I would highly recommend you un-install the v3.0.3 Alpha version”. That was meant to indicate that you uninstall the v3.0.3 before trying to install the v1.5.4. Apparently, that wasn’t clear enough.

V S Rawat

@PeterJones

Solved.

I uninstalled and reinstalled pythonscript, this time directly through plugin admin, it installed v1.5.4

Then I ran my script on my text, and the script is working again.

Thank God.

Now, I am freezing my pythonscript plugin to 1.5.4 and will not update it ever, untill it stops working for some future npp.

Thanks.

Rawat

Alan Kilborn

@PeterJones said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

The “Releases” on the right (which turns blue when you hover, indicating it’s a link) takes you to the releases page, with all the alpha and permanent releases.
The “Latest” link in the green takes you to just the latest release, v1.5.4.

I stand corrected.
Perhaps I’m alone in this, but I’m more used to github showing a “releases” button/link up across the top of such pages, and not on the right; but truly, Peter is correct, and it is there.

PeterJones

@Alan-Kilborn said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

Perhaps I’m alone in this, but I’m more used to github showing a “releases” button/link up across the top of such pages

That’s a recent change. I think I originally opted into the “feature preview” that made the UI slightly more “modern”, but moved the releases/most-recent links to the harder-to-find location, so I got used to it. But it appears that’s no longer a “feature preview”, and may have been pushed to everyone.

PeterJones

So that readers here know: @V-S-Rawat submitted a feature request on https://github.com/bruderstein/PythonScript/issues/155 to add the github URL to the PythonScript About dialog: I agree with that. I also added in the same request that they either get the old sourceforge pages updated to direct people back to the github for newer revisions, or that they remove the sourceforge links from the github page altogether, as it causes nothing but confusion.

guy038

Hello, @v-s-rawat, @peterjones, @Alan-kilborn and All,

@v-s-rawat

Of course, I understand that you may easily assign a shortcut, using a Python script for such a task !

But, personally, you could use the simple regex S/R below :

SEARCH [\x{200B}-\x{200D}\x{2060}]

REPLACE Leave EMPTY

Moreover, you may also record this specific S/R in a macro ! Insert these lines, below, in the Macros node of your active shortcut.xml configuration file

        <Macro name="Zero Width Format Characters" Ctrl="no" Alt="no" Shift="no" Key="0">
            <Action type="3" message="1700" wParam="0" lParam="0" sParam="" />
            <Action type="3" message="1601" wParam="0" lParam="0" sParam="[\x{200B}-\x{200D}\x{2060}]" />
            <Action type="3" message="1625" wParam="0" lParam="2" sParam="" />
            <Action type="3" message="1602" wParam="0" lParam="0" sParam="" />
            <Action type="3" message="1702" wParam="0" lParam="768" sParam="" />
            <Action type="3" message="1701" wParam="0" lParam="1609" sParam="" />
        </Macro>

To see a representation of these zero-width format characters, use the Mark feature, and the regex :

SEARCH [\x{200B}-\x{200D}\x{2060}]

against the text, below :

-----> <-----	0020	0020	SP		SPACE

-----><-----	200B	8203	ZWSP	ZERO WIDTH SPACE
----->‍<-----	200C	8204	ZWNJ	ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER
----->‌<-----	200D	8205	ZWJ		ZERO WIDTH JOINER
----->⁠<-----	2060	8288	WJ		WORD JOINER

Strangely, depending of the current font used, in N++ :

The zero width space wrongly looks like a normal space character or like a thin space character
The word joiner character is wrongly seen as a true character, with a glyph representation

On my system, only the PMingLiU and Symbola_Monospacified fonts show, as expected, 4 zero-width characters !

Refer to the link, below, for additional information :

https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2000.pdf

Best Regards

guy038

V S Rawat

@guy038

dear sir,

my issue is: How do I know what has stopped with each update of npp/ pythonscript/ python?

How many of us dutifully every word of release note each of hundreds of software/ plugins/ addons/ drivers that we are using on our pc.

When we have installed something and seen it working once, we wish and believe that it will be forward compatible and will continue working in future updates of any component of it.

AND, if it doesn’t work, we should be notified somehow that it will not work any more, so that we check what has stopped working and how to correct it.

There is the irresponsible work of a developer.

If something has stopped working in a ps update, we don’t come to know that it has stopped working, and there is no message and we believe that it has worked behind the screen as earlier.

That is what is wrong. If some previous syntax has stopped working, python and/ or pythonscript developers should throw a syntax error for that right there in the first run, so that the user at least gets to know that it is not working any more, then the user either learn the new syntax and edit his script to work with the new update, or the user can revert to previous update to keep his old script working.

I think it is a mistake of pythonscript developers that they have allowed the old syntax as valid even when it is not working.

I think that is what alpha beta testings are for.

So I guess ps developers should give a thought to this.

Thanks.

Rawat

V S Rawat

@guy038

npp shortcuts themselves are not a easy task. Such a simple thing is made so complex in npp. If we need to copy a shortcut to a new one and make a few changes to create another shortcut doing something else, that is not easy and probably just impossible, it is rather easy to go through entire charade of recording a new shortcut from scratch.

You can compare how easy a MS-word macro is to copy and modify, and how complicated is a npp shortcut to copy and modify.

I had planned to learn pythonscript as that opens a wide range of possibilities to create various MS-word like macros to do various things. It has far more flexibility.

Thus, I learnt and made this first pythonscript and it started working, then I lost steam about learning pytonscript, and got busy in other things. Human mind is not so eager to learn new things at age of 60 years.

so, when ps is available as a allrounder option, I would like to use that, instead of using a npp shortcut.

Though I indeed have created half a dozen npp shortcuts that I have to use several times almost daily.

Thanks.

Rawat

PeterJones

@V-S-Rawat said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

I think that is what alpha beta testings are for.

You installed alpha software which didn’t work for you, and are now complaining that the PythonScript developer didn’t alpha test enough?! Think about what you just said!

Alan Kilborn

@PeterJones said in Old Pythonscript stopped working:

Think about what you just said!

Clearly, and sadly, there isn’t much thinking going on.
The same dumb thing was said HERE, turning the dumbness into an official complaint against a great piece of software. :-(