Notepad++ v7.9.4 released

PeterJones

I said,

Please note: your v7.9.4 Debug Info from a couple days ago shows a lot of plugins. I am wondering whether one of your plugins is messing up your ability to use column mode by keyboard.

I meant to continue: please try using the -noPlugin command-line option to run with no plugins enabled (or download a fresh official portable zipfile and run from there, which will only have the three default plugins), and see if column-edit mode works via alt+shift+arrows – it does work fine for me. If it does not for you, then I am thinking that something else on your system is hijacking those keyboard sequences. (And if the fresh portable or -noPlugin works for you, but your many-plugins install does not, then you will have to disable the plugins individually, until you find the culprit(s).)

Alan Kilborn

@PeterJones

So perhaps until there is a “ruling” from Peter (apparently I’ve appointed Peter a “high position” on this)

Not sure why you think I am the arbiter of such things. But I’ve put in my 2c.

Like I said, I appointed you. :-)
Mainly because you usually have supremely good ideas.
And I was looking for some of this on the topic of “non-standard” N++ versions.
Like maybe it’s not a huge concern, maybe it is.
Of course, one big problem remains: People are going to ask for help, and we’d have no way to know they might be using one of these “repackaged” things, because they think it is completely normal and wouldn’t mention it.
Perhaps this is a problem without a reasonable solution.

Alan Kilborn

@Alan-Kilborn said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

Are you using Shift+Alt+arrow keys where the arrows are the dedicated ones, or are they the ones that share functionality with the numeric keypad?

I think we really need an answer from the OP on the above.
Here’s why:

OP said the problem started with 7.9.4
Scintilla was bumped from 4.2.0 to 4.4.6 starting with version 7.9.4
I recall an issue on github that I read in passing, about column-selecting when using numeric-keypad arrows. It involved Scintilla.

But… while I’m fairly good at documenting things I want to recall later and searching THIS site, I’m nowhere near as good at same on the github site, so I can’t give exact details. So let’s wait and see if OP responds on question above.

Grenville Tryon 0

Thank you guys for your support/interest. Actions:
In a temporal drive:
(a)-I downloaded https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/releases/download/v7.9.5/npp.7.9.5.portable.minimalist.7z (no plugins) and run it
(Debug info:
Notepad++ v7.9.5 (32-bit)
Build time : Mar 21 2021 - 02:09:07
Path : C:\temp\notepad++.exe
Admin mode : OFF
Local Conf mode : ON
OS Name : Windows 10 Enterprise (64-bit)
OS Version : 2004
OS Build : 19041.867
Current ANSI codepage : 1252
Plugins : none)
(b)-After a try, the issue persist.
©. Download 7.9.3 (https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/releases/download/v7.9.3/npp.7.9.3.portable.minimalist.x64.7z) (no plugins) and run it
(d) Notepad WORKS FINE with alt-shft-l.

An additional clue that came to my mind (sorry, i just think about that after I read your messages):
-Im using a 17" Toshiba laptop with numeric keyboard (maybe keyboard strokes are ok on desktop computers?)
-As alan suggest, “Scintilla was bumped from 4.2.0 to 4.4.6 starting with version 7.9.4”. Scintilla may have something to do with this case?
TIA,

PeterJones

@Grenville-Tryon-0 ,

I don’t know what’s going wrong for you. Something is different about your system than about mine, because Alt+Shift+Arrows (ie, keyboard control for column-mode editing) work 100% of the time for me, whether I am on an old Notepad++ or the newest, whether in my normal executable with all my plugins or whether I’m in a fresh unzip. You keep mentioning this alt-shft-l, which is not a keystroke anywhere in the Shortcut Mapper, so I don’t know what you think that combo is doing

It may have something to do with the new Scintilla, but that’s not enough to explain it, because it works for me.

Someone else will have to step in, because I have no more ideas for what you can try.

Grenville Tryon 0

I will downgrade my NP to 7.9.3 for a while. It does the job. BTW, (the alt-shift-l is really alt-shift-Arrows, as you said).
My bet is scintilla + numeric laptop keyboard.

If it is correct, theres no way but wait.
Thanks!

Michael Vincent

@Grenville-Tryon-0
@PeterJones

Could this be the issue?

Laptop without “arrow keys” and maybe the NumLock / numeric pad number keys (8, 4, 6, 2) with arrows accessed by a function key …

In short, keyboard column select mode only works with Alt+Shift+DEDICATED arrow keys, not the number pad arrow keys with NumLock disabled.

Hope this helps and doesn’t add more confusion.

Cheers.

Grenville Tryon 0

@Michael-Vincent Thanks for your quote. Unfortunately, is not the case. (Also, It doesnt explain why the 7.9.3 works and 7.9.4+ not.)

Michael Vincent

@Grenville-Tryon-0 said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

Also, It doesnt explain why the 7.9.3 works and 7.9.4+ not.

Actually it does since the Scintilla version was updated and the Scintilla behavior in pre-4.4.6 was based on 4.1.2 and in 4.3.1, Scintilla changed the way this was handled:

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From: https://www.scintilla.org/ScintillaHistory.html

Release 4.3.1

Released 4 March 2020.
Add default argument for StyleContext::GetRelative. Feature #1336.
Fix drag and drop between different encodings on Win32 by always providing CF_UNICODETEXT only. Bug #2151.
Automatically scroll while dragging text. Feature #497.
On Win32, the numeric keypad with Alt pressed can be used to enter characters by number. This can produce unexpected results in non-numlock mode when function keys are assigned. Potentially problematic keys like Alt+KeypadUp are now ignored. Bug #2152.
Crash fixed with Direct2D on Win32 when updating driver. Bug #2138.
For SciTE on Win32, fix crashes when Lua script closes application. Bug #2155.

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Cheers.

Grenville Tryon 0

@Michael-Vincent said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

On Win32, the numeric keypad with Alt pressed can be used to enter characters by number. This can produce unexpected results in non-numlock mode when function keys are assigned. Potentially problematic keys like Alt+KeypadUp are now ignored. Bug #2152.

That is the answer !
I try the shift-alt-cursor non numeric keypad -> work
I try the shift-alt-cursor numeric keypad -> dont work

Looks like from now on I have to change my way to use the cursors in notepad plus.
Just curious: So it may happen also in an standard desktop computer numeric keypad? (Dont have one to test)

Thank you!

Michael Vincent

@Grenville-Tryon-0 said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

Just curious: So it may happen also in an standard desktop computer numeric keypad?

Yes definitely. I’ve tested such with my external keyboard and reported on the Notepad++ issue I first referenced. It is definitely a Scintilla issue based on the “bug fix” they reference in 4.3.1.

Cheers.

TroshinDV

А так сделать можно будет?

Alan Kilborn

@Michael-Vincent said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

It is definitely a Scintilla issue

It is an “issue” but didn’t they decide to “fix” it by just not allowing column selecting via using the shared arrows on the numeric keypad? That isn’t really a “fix” but as I have never used those keys to make a column block, it doesn’t bother me.

@Grenville-Tryon-0 If you’d have just answered my question when I first asked it, it would have saved a lot of pointless back-and-forth here!

Alan Kilborn

@TroshinDV said:

Will it be possible to do this?

This thread is for suspected problems specifically with the 7.9.4 release.

Please ask your question (whatever that is) by creating a new thread.

Also, if you’re going to re-ask it, do so in a manner that clearly conveys what you mean. Since this is an English-speaking forum (historically), ask in English and preferably post screenshots in the English translation of Notepad++ – if you want the best help to be provided.

Grenville Tryon 0

@Alan-Kilborn said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

@Michael-Vincent said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

It is definitely a Scintilla issue

It is an “issue” but didn’t they decide to “fix” it by just not allowing column selecting via using the shared arrows on the numeric keypad? That isn’t really a “fix” but as I have never used those keys to make a column block, it doesn’t bother me.

@Grenville-Tryon-0 If you’d have just answered my question when I first asked it, it would have saved a lot of pointless back-and-forth here!

You are right: I though i answer all the questions but missed that one. Appreciate the extra effort.

Matthew Moore 0

@PeterJones said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

I would expect those of you working in IT forensics to know that you could just rename the file to .txt (or no extension) to load the contents in Notepad++

And that is what we did as a work-around. It was more of an unpleasant surprise than anything else when it first occurred, whereas previously the binary/text data was available to parse.

I wouldn’t mind if there was an option to disable that, but I would lobby that it should follow .lnk files by default, and only edit the link contents if you change the option (maybe even making it a “hidden option”), because I would think the vast majority of users would expect Windows links to work like links, like they do in other Windows applications – and the principal of least-surprise is important for most users.

I would be fine with that as an option.

Alan Kilborn

@Matthew-Moore-0

This open issue might be of interest to you.

CodanRaigen21

How do I turn off the auto-indent for braces in JSON, is there an option somewhere?

Michael Vincent

@CodanRaigen21 said in Notepad++ v7.9.4 released:

for braces in JSON

Not for JSON specifically, it’s all or nothing:

Settings => Preferences => Auto-Completion => Auto-indent

Cheers.