How can I change all the words in a given structure?

darkenb

@Alan-Kilborn said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

@darkenb

It’s really just a formula substitution from the other posting with the values above. All the information needed is there. Can’t you at least try that on your own?

I don’t quite understand, so I don’t think I can do it. I tried something but it didn’t happen.

Thanks anyway. I think I’ll try to find another way.

PeterJones

@darkenb ,

I don’t quite understand, so I don’t think I can do it

Which part didn’t you understand?

I tried something but it didn’t happen.

Did you try “fred” as the search and “george” as the replacement? No, I didn’t think so. But if you don’t tell us what you did try, we cannot help you.

Alan’s description said

replace [ with [_:
replace ] with _]:
Do the fancy regex using the “generic expression”:
- the “generic expression” is found https://community.notepad-plus-plus.org/topic/20728/changing-data-inside-xml-element/15, which is the post that Alan linked to. However, sometimes the forum doesn’t take you directly to the right post, even though it’s supposed to. The link https://community.notepad-plus-plus.org/post/62799 might work better. If you still have trouble finding the right post, look for the post starting like:
  
  (Note that because of timezone differences, the timestamp you see might be different)
- Alan’s post gave the values to insert. Because of a bug in the forum, showing \\[ is more difficult than it should be, so he used bs to indicate \. I will try to do it without the red text, which sometimes makes \\[ easier to show:
  - BSR = \\[_
  - ESR = _\\]
  - FR = a space character
  - RR = _
    These are then a list of “variables” to be substituted into the generic expression.
- What is the generic expression? From the post that was linked,
  - You would then put the value of BSR that Alan and I gave above into the expression in the image, and similarly for ESR, FR, and RR.
  - Finally, you would enable “regular expression” and run this final regular expression:

We try to be helpful, but a lot of the questions reduce to the same formula, where the question boils down to “I need to find FR and replace with RR, but only between BSR and ESR” – the questions of course don’t use those “variable names”, but the idea is the same. Our regex experts put a lot of effort into building a regex that meets those needs in the generic situation; when we try to help someone whose question boils down to that generic circumstance, we try to point them to the generic formula, and often give them the values for the variables, and expect that they can plug those values into the formula.

But this means that we do expect the people who are asking questions to put in a little effort – if we just hand them the end product (like I eventually did for you), the chances are that they won’t learn how to insert different values into the same generic formula, so they won’t be able to solve the similar problem in the future, even though the answer is effectively the same. I decided to just hand you the answer, because this is only your ~~first~~ second question here… but I’m hoping you read the detailed instructions and figure out what it means, rather than just blindly taking the end result, and not bothering to figure out how it works.

If you don’t understand the instructions, then you can ask specific questions. But saying “I tried something but it didn’t happen” is like telling your doctor, “Hey, Doc, it hurts when I do something.” If you don’t tell your doctor what you did and where it hurts, he cannot help you; similarly, if you don’t tell us exactly what you tried and what did or did not happen, we cannot help you.

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Do you want regex search/replace help? Then please be patient and polite, show some effort, and be willing to learn; answer questions and requests for clarification that are made of you. All example text should be marked as literal text using the </> toolbar button or manual Markdown syntax. To make regex in red (and so they keep their special characters like *), use backticks, like `^.*?blah.*?\z`. Screenshots can be pasted from the clipboard to your post using Ctrl+V to show graphical items, but any text should be included as literal text in your post so we can easily copy/paste your data. Show the data you have and the text you want to get from that data; include examples of things that should match and be transformed, and things that don’t match and should be left alone; show edge cases and make sure you examples are as varied as your real data. Show the regex you already tried, and why you thought it should work; tell us what’s wrong with what you do get. Read the official NPP Searching / Regex docs and the forum’s Regular Expression FAQ. If you follow these guidelines, you’re much more likely to get helpful replies that solve your problem in the shortest number of tries.

Alan Kilborn

@darkenb

#begin_spoon_feeding

From the linked posting:

SEARCH (?-i:BSR|(?!\A)\G)(?s:(?!ESR).)*?\K(?-i:FR)
REPLACE RR

Substituting in our values for BSR/ESR/FR/RR, that I enumerated above, yields:

SEARCH (?-i:bs[_|(?!\A)\G)(?s:(?!_bs]).)*?\K(?-i: )
REPLACE _

Note: this site has trouble with backslash followed by [ or ], so the above still uses bs for backslash, but when put correctly into Notepad++ it looks like this in the Find what box:

And running a Replace All results in:

#end_spoon_feeding

EDIT: Well, while I was composing, Peter was also getting out the spoon. Since I went to the trouble of composing, I’ll leave it.

Alan Kilborn

@darkenb said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

I don’t quite understand, so I don’t think I can do it. I tried something but it didn’t happen.
Thanks anyway. I think I’ll try to find another way.

This is why creating a help area of general problems and their general solutions on this site probably would be a wasted effort.
People don’t want this, they just want the answer to their specific “thing”.
No thinking required.
Plug n play.

darkenb

@Alan-Kilborn said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

@darkenb

#begin_spoon_feeding

From the linked posting:

SEARCH (?-i:BSR|(?!\A)\G)(?s:(?!ESR).)*?\K(?-i:FR)
REPLACE RR

Substituting in our values for BSR/ESR/FR/RR, that I enumerated above, yields:

SEARCH (?-i:bs[_|(?!\A)\G)(?s:(?!_bs]).)*?\K(?-i: )
REPLACE _

Note: this site has trouble with backslash followed by [ or ], so the above still uses bs for backslash, but when put correctly into Notepad++ it looks like this in the Find what box:

And running a Replace All results in:

#end_spoon_feeding

EDIT: Well, while I was composing, Peter was also getting out the spoon. Since I went to the trouble of composing, I’ll leave it.

All right, this worked.

I did not understand the complicated part in stage 2, now I have figured it out.

Thanks to everyone who helped.

darkenb

All right, this worked. Now I’ve added _ underscores to texts that I don’t want translated and it worked. Now I will restore the texts that I have added _ underscores, so I have to delete the ones I added. Only […] underscores in these parentheses will be removed. Any other _ hyphens used in the document will not change.

Alan Kilborn

@darkenb said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

Only […] underscores in these parentheses will be removed. Any other _ hyphens used in the document will not change.

And now this is a trivial thing to do!

darkenb

@Alan-Kilborn said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

@darkenb said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

Only […] underscores in these parentheses will be removed. Any other _ hyphens used in the document will not change.

And now this is a trivial thing to do!

I don’t understand why something trivial?

This code block belongs to a game. I added this character “" so that Google Translate wouldn’t detect it and it worked. But it won’t work in the game if I don’t restore it. So I have to remove "” from […] these characters so that the text remains constant.

Alan Kilborn

@darkenb said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

I don’t understand why something trivial?

Because you can just reapply the technique used earlier, with different values.
In fact, I think it is just as simple as swapping your FR and RR values.

guy038

Hello, @darkenb, @alan-kilborn, @peterjones, @ekopalypse and All,

I supposed, that, with the Alan’s and Peter’s explanations, you succeeded to achieve what you want !

However, in all that story, there is still something unclear !

@darkenb, I do understand that you don’t want the first line, beginning with a # character, to be translated by Google Translate and that the way you’ve found, to avoid translating, is to add a underscore characters ( _ ) between words ! But, please, could you be a bit more accurate ?

Before the replacement process, is your text as like the B1, B2, B3 or B4 type ?

B1 #. "This is an [ABC DEF GHI JKL] example of text: 0"
B2 #. "This is an [ABC DEF GHI JKL ] example of text: 0"
B3 #. "This is an [ ABC DEF GHI JKL] example of text: 0"
B4 #. "This is an [ ABC DEF GHI JKL ] example of text: 0"

After the replacement process, do you expect the text A1, A2, A3, A4, or A5 ?

A1 #. "This is an [ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL] example of text: 0"
A2 #. "This is an [_ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL_] example of text: 0"
A3 #. "This is an [_ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL _] example of text: 0"
A4 #. "This is an [_ ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL_] example of text: 0"
A5 #. "This is an [_ ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL _] example of text: 0"

To my mind, the more logical version is :

You, presently, have the B1 configuration
You would like to get the A1 or, may be, the A2 configuration, after the replacement process

Just tell me about it !

As always, once the problem is well defined, the solution is more easy to guess and halfway there ;-))

Best regards,

guy038

darkenb

@guy038
Yes, you got it right. A2 is exactly what I want.

However, when the process is completed, that is, when I complete the translation, I have to do the opposite of this process.

That’s why I need to remove _ underscores. However, there are _ lines in other words on the page. Therefore, only the underscores in the […] brackets should be removed in the same way, without changing the sentence. So in summary, I need to apply the following structure.

Before: B1 #. “This is an [ABC DEF GHI JKL] example of text: 0”

After: A2 #. “This is an [ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL] example of text: 0”

More then: B1 #. “This is an [ABC DEF GHI JKL] example of text: 0”

I’ll be glad if you help. I do not understand much, I would appreciate it if you show me practical.

darkenb

A2, the wrong leading signs are erasing for me. It will be B1 first, then A2, then B1 again.

Alan Kilborn

@darkenb said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

It will be B1 first, then A2, then B1 again.

Which really isn’t anything different than described before.
And which already has a successful solution.

I don’t really know what @guy038 would additionally supply.
Probably some over-complicated single-step way(s) to do it, which likely would totally eliminate any possible learning opportunity, for an obvious newbie?

I mean, we understand the newbie thing, but is it that hard to follow a recipe?
Maybe someone needs to create a script that would walk one through the process of building up a regex for the “replace only inside delimiters” scenario? OK, I’ll give that a go, and post back here.

guy038

Hello, @darkenb,

OK ! So, you start with text of style B1

B1 #. "This is an [ABC DEF GHI JKL] example of text: 0"

But, the case A# is still not defined, yet. Indeed, you said :

After: A2 #. “This is an [ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL] example of text: 0”

but, according to my classification, this should be A1 ?

So, sorry to repeat, but are you expecting the style A1 or A2, below ?

A1 #. "This is an [ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL] example of text: 0"
A2 #. "This is an [_ABC_DEF_GHI_JKL_] example of text: 0"

BR

guy038

darkenb

@guy038
My sentence design is B1, but I want to switch to A2 and then B1 again. Although I have written A2 layout, the system puts A1 in order. So it lifts the lines, I don’t understand it.

darkenb

@Alan-Kilborn I understand you, but I am seriously a newbie. (? -i: bs (_ | (?! \ A) \ G) (? s: (?! _ bs)).) *? \ K (? - i :) this may be simple for you, but I’m seriously confused. So I couldn’t delete the underscores and replace them with a space character without breaking the sentence. Simply write the codes and let me apply them.

Alan Kilborn

@darkenb said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

this may be simple for you

Actually, it is NOT simple for me, meaning that I couldn’t retype it from nothing and have a chance at getting it correct. But that’s the benefit of a plug and play recipe.

guy038

Hi, @darkenb,

OK, I’ve found out all the regexes needed to cover, both, the changes from B1 to A2 styles and then, from A2 to B1 styles again !

Just allow me an hour about to write an informative reply ( for you ! )

BR

guy038

darkenb

@guy038

Thank you. I’m waiting …

Alan Kilborn

@guy038 said in How can I change all the words in a given structure?:

Just allow me an hour about to write an informative reply ( for you ! )

@darkenb

Thank you. I’m waiting …

LOL, all the information was there, a day and a half ago.
What problem is left to be solved?