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    • PeterJonesP
      PeterJones @IanSunlun
      last edited by PeterJones

      @IanSunlun ,

      As is documented, - has special meaning in regex character sets. If you want it to be treated as a literal in a character set, it needs to be either the first or last character in the set.

      Compare yours:
      06cd8970-c9c3-4f48-a86b-6d11092cdb3c-image.png
      to this [A-Za-z#%-]:
      55485809-73fa-4c09-a69a-02d767886454-image.png

      or, going back to yours, with the $ in the text file:
      81c093b8-7447-435b-885c-29f46a07496a-image.png
      vs
      a1a807f1-8615-4134-8149-0155e8995a8e-image.png

      … the [#-%] portion of the character set says “characters # through %”, which includes the $ between those, so [#-%] will match # or $ or %. Whereas [#%-] says “match # or % or the literal -”

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      • PeterJonesP
        PeterJones @PeterJones
        last edited by

        @PeterJones said in Using sets to find A-Za-z plus the # and - chars ..?:

        As is documented

        Actually, it’s not documented in our character classes section. I will remedy that.

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        • IanSunlunI
          IanSunlun @PeterJones
          last edited by IanSunlun

          @PeterJones
          My search term is not finding the URL in my html page.
          e1171fc4-f61d-46e5-b069-6cc0b0be6192-image.png

          html page (its not finding this, but it should):
          http://mysitename.net/index.php/New_Video#column-one"

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          • PeterJonesP
            PeterJones @IanSunlun
            last edited by PeterJones

            @IanSunlun said in Using sets to find A-Za-z plus the # and - chars ..?:

            http://mysitename.net/index.php/New_Video#column-one"

            Um, no it shouldn’t. New_Video#column-one is more than one character. [A-Za-z%#_-] only matches one character.

            I think what you want is http://mysitename.net/index.php/[A-Za-z%#_-]+" , which wants one or more charaters from that set.

            Also, I hope you don’t have a URL like http://mysitename.net/index.php/one1#column2

            Or http://school.edu/~username/o.n.e.#2 , which is something I might have had back in my university homepage days, lo those two-and-a-half decades ago.

            Maybe use http://mysitename.net/index.php/[\w%#.~-]+", since \w encompases the [A-Za-z0-9_] portion, and it adds in the URL-safe characters of . and ~, as well as the # separator and %-encoding-start.

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            • José Luis Montero CastellanosJ
              José Luis Montero Castellanos @IanSunlun
              last edited by José Luis Montero Castellanos

              @IanSunlun
              Hello :) Try this in Npp: (Just to easily verify that it matches)

              Find: [.#\-%]
              

              Inside a character class [set]:

              The character # is literal
              The character % is literal
              The . It is literal (remember that outside equals any character.)
              \- The only one that needs an escape sequence using \ .

              So:
              [A-Za-z#\-%.]
              The second hyphen is inside in an escape sequence (preceded by \ ).

              Another character that needs escape is ^ because of its negation meaning within the brackets [\^].

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              • IanSunlunI
                IanSunlun @PeterJones
                last edited by

                @PeterJones Ah, thats seems to work thanks.
                Does [\w%#.~-]+ put whatever it matches into ${1} ?

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                • PeterJonesP
                  PeterJones @IanSunlun
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                    PeterJones @José Luis Montero Castellanos
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                    • PeterJonesP
                      PeterJones @IanSunlun
                      last edited by PeterJones

                      @IanSunlun said in Using sets to find A-Za-z plus the # and - chars ..?:

                      Does [\w%#.~-]+ put whatever it matches into ${1} ?

                      Sorry, when I answered, I had forgotten that you previously said,

                      (So I need to store pagename in ${1} and bookmark in ${2}.)

                      Putting the # into either match is not what you want, either. You really need two groups, one before the # and one after.

                      FIND = http://mysitename.net/index.php/([\w%.~-]+)#([\w%.~-]+)"
                      will only match if there is a bookmark, and the # will not be inside the ${2} group. If you want the # to be included in ${2}, use http://mysitename.net/index.php/([\w%.~-]+)(#[\w%.~-]+)"

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                      • IanSunlunI
                        IanSunlun @PeterJones
                        last edited by IanSunlun

                        @PeterJones said in Using sets to find A-Za-z plus the # and - chars ..?:

                        FIND = http://mysitename.net/index.php/([\w%.~-]+)#([\w%.~-]+)"

                        With the period . inbetween the % and the ~ it did not find:
                        http://mysitename.net/index.php/New_Video#column-one"
                        But taking the period out, it did find it.
                        Whats the thinking behind the period in this context ?

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                        • PeterJonesP
                          PeterJones @IanSunlun
                          last edited by PeterJones

                          @IanSunlun ,

                          Except for -, order doesn’t matter inside the [] character class. The period is there because New.Video#column-one is also a valid URL ender end-string.

                          FIND = http://mysitename.net/index.php/([\w%.~-]+)#([\w%.~-]+)"
                          does match http://mysitename.net/index.php/New_Video#column-one":

                          2fb36c05-cd1f-406d-92f6-ec71aec5bb2a-image.png

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                          • Alan KilbornA
                            Alan Kilborn @PeterJones
                            last edited by

                            @PeterJones said in Using sets to find A-Za-z plus the # and - chars ..?:

                            FIND = http://mysitename.net/index.php/([\w%.~-]+)#([\w%.~-]+)"

                            Is it worth pointing out that the first two periods here really aren’t periods but rather “match any char”, because they aren’t escaped? Sure, an unescaped . will match a literal period, but it will match other things as well (obviously).

                            IMO, OP here needs to stop asking forum questions and go off and study regex.

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                            • guy038G
                              guy038
                              last edited by guy038

                              Hello, @peterjones,

                              In the post below, Peter :

                              https://community.notepad-plus-plus.org/post/81643

                              You said :

                              Actually, it’s not documented in our character classes section. I will remedy that.

                              Then, regarding the Character Class feature, may be, this part could be added to the Official Notepad++ Documentation : :

                              If we consider the following CHARACTER CLASS structure :
                              
                              [.......]
                              123456789
                              
                              The POSSIBLE location(s), in order to find the LITERAL character below, are :
                              
                              LITERAL Character [    :     POSSIBLE at any position, BETWEEN 2 to 8 
                                                           POSSIBLE at any position, BETWEEN 2 to 8, if PRECEDED with an ANTI-SLASH character
                              							 
                              LITERAL Character ]    :     POSSIBLE at position 2 ONLY
                                                           POSSIBLE at any position, BETWEEN 2 to 8, if PRECEDED with an ANTI-SLASH character
                              							 
                              LITERAL Character -    :     POSSIBLE at position 2
                                                           POSSIBLE at position 8
                                                           POSSIBLE at any position, BETWEEN 2 to 8, if PRECEDED with an ANTI-SLASH character
                              							 
                              LITERAL Character \    :     POSSIBLE at any position, BETWEEN 2 to 8, if PRECEDED with an ANTI-SLASH character
                              

                              Of course, change this layout as you like !

                              Best Regards,

                              guy038

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                              • Alan KilbornA
                                Alan Kilborn @guy038
                                last edited by Alan Kilborn

                                @guy038

                                It is rather awkward to express, but I like your idea.

                                My idea for expression:

                                • To use a “literal [” in a character class: Use it directly like any other character, e.g. [ab[c]; “escaping” is not necessary (but is permissible), e.g. [ab\\[c]

                                • To use a “literal ]” in a character class: Directly right after the opening [ of the class notation, e.g. []abc], OR “escaped” at any position, e.g. [\\]abc] or [a\\]bc]

                                • To use a “literal -” in a character class: Directly as the first or last character in the enclosing class notation, e.g. [-abc] or [abc-], OR “escaped” at any position, e.g. [\-abc] or [a\-bc]

                                • To use a “literal \” in a character class: Must be doubled (i.e., \\) inside the enclosing class notation, e.g. [ab\\c]

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                                • PeterJonesP
                                  PeterJones @Alan Kilborn
                                  last edited by

                                  @Alan-Kilborn & @guy038 ,

                                  I like those suggestions, especially the way Alan rephrased it: it works much better than my clunky first attempt in the manual, that only included - and was not not very readable.

                                  Thanks.

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                                  • Alan KilbornA
                                    Alan Kilborn @PeterJones
                                    last edited by Alan Kilborn

                                    @PeterJones

                                    Maybe my first-of-4 bullet points previously should be moved to be the last-of-4, and changed to:

                                    • To use any other literal character in a character class, just use it directly, i.e., no “escaping” needed

                                    Maybe it works well as a 2 column 4 row table, headers:

                                    • Character
                                    • To use it literally in a character class

                                    With those headers, the “cell contents” for column 2 could be appropriately shortened to remove redundant verbiage.

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                                    • guy038G
                                      guy038
                                      last edited by

                                      Hi, @peterjones,

                                      BTW, Peter, do you intend to include, in some way, the end part of this post, regarding the Free-space mode, which is in the Notes section ?

                                      https://community.notepad-plus-plus.org/post/81368


                                      Also, did you correctly receive, by e-mail, my attached text file, regarding the TextFX features ?

                                      Please, I do not want to stress you, unnecessarily ! Just go at your own pace !

                                      Best Regards

                                      guy038

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                                      • Alan KilbornA
                                        Alan Kilborn @guy038
                                        last edited by

                                        @guy038 said in Using sets to find A-Za-z plus the # and - chars ..?:

                                        do you intend to include, in some way, the end part of this post, regarding the Free-space mode

                                        He already did, see HERE.

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                                        • Andrew McPA
                                          Andrew McP @Alan Kilborn
                                          last edited by

                                          @Alan-Kilborn I really admire you guys for figuring out Regular Expressions; I bet you never get lost in real life when you can keep track of the patterns/positions so well, aka good spatial awareness :)

                                          Oh and I like the trick of having - as last character before ]

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                                          • Alan KilbornA
                                            Alan Kilborn @Andrew McP
                                            last edited by Alan Kilborn

                                            @Andrew-McP said in Using sets to find A-Za-z plus the # and - chars ..?:

                                            I really admire you guys for figuring out Regular Expressions

                                            So if someone says they have “figured out regular expressions”, I pity them. Because it just means they are ripe for an upcoming whipping when a regex misunderstanding of theirs really embarrasses them. :-)

                                            It pays to always be humble when discussing regular expressions with others. :-)

                                            I bet you never get lost

                                            GPS!

                                            I like the trick of having - as last character before ]

                                            Not so much a trick, as a logical place to put it when you realize that anywhere except the first or last position it must form some sort of “range”.

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