Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++

Ekopalypse

Let me check - I will follow up later today.

Ekopalypse

I was not able to replicate the error you mentioned, but unfortunately while testing I found a serious problem that could lead to a hanging or even crashing npp. This needs to be investigated further.

TBugReporter

@Ekopalypse said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

maybe it should be wrapped in a try block and if it can’t be found a MessageBox is called explaining this.

@TBugReporter said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

You mean like this one? 😉

@Ekopalypse said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

Yes, but no - more in the direction pointing to the package that contains the Tkinter module.

I’ve now added code to my script that comes close to doing this. An excerpt:

    tk_ok = False
    try:                                                        # see if we can do pretty dialogs
        import Tkinter as tk
        import ttk
        import qq                                               # DEBUG:  bogus name to force error triggering
        tk_ok = True
    except ImportError as e:                                    # if not, tell user
        console.show()
        user_response = notepad.messageBox(
            (tk_err_msg + e.message
            ), "Missing Library",
            MESSAGEBOXFLAGS.OKCANCEL | MESSAGEBOXFLAGS.ICONWARNING | MB_HELP)
        if user_response == MESSAGEBOXFLAGS.RESULTCANCEL:
            print("== RESULTCANCEL loading Tkinter")            # DEBUG
            notepad.runPluginCommand('Python Script', 'Stop Script')

This produces the following box:
Missing Library.png
Given that MB_HELP isn’t defined as part of PythonScript’s MESSAGEBOXFLAGS, it seems that no one anticipated anyone wanting to add a “Help” button to a MessageBox. Can someone here help me finish this feature for my script? Apparently, the “Help” button sends a message to the parent process, but do I have to add code to listen for and react to this message? Examples I’ve seen for other languages make it seem like I only need to define a URL to be accessed when the button is clicked, but again, I’m having a hard time translating those examples to PythonScript.

(Also, I realize that with this question, I’m again straying away from N++ - for which I was soundly rebuked last time - but I’m thinking that interest in the larger goal of developing a more elegant way to inform PythonScript users of missing libraries might outweigh that concern.)

Alan Kilborn

@TBugReporter said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

notepad.runPluginCommand('Python Script', 'Stop Script')

I thought we told you this was a “bad idea”; wasn’t there a discussion of how to “properly” end a script?

I’m again straying away from N++ - for which I was soundly rebuked last time

Nah, you go ahead if you want…

but I’m thinking that interest in the larger goal of developing a more elegant way to inform PythonScript users of missing libraries might outweigh that concern.

IMO, nobody’s concern is all that great, but if you think so then by all means proceed.

Given that MB_HELP isn’t defined as part of PythonScript’s MESSAGEBOXFLAGS, it seems that no one anticipated anyone wanting to add a “Help” button to a MessageBox.

A full-fledged polished programming environment/suite was never really what PS’s designers had in mind. A lot of times Python programs are referred to as “scripts” (which is really a poor thing to do for Python), but here we really are “scripting”, which is intended to be rather lightweight. It’s even in the name of the plugin.

I use it for the power it can give me over the editor, not its UI capabilities, or its “full-fledgeness”.

IMO you are heading down the wrong road, but let’s see where you end up…

TBugReporter

@Alan-Kilborn said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

wasn’t there a discussion of how to “properly” end a script?

Yeah, I just never got around to changing that. (I’m retired, so I tend to do whatever I find entertaining at the moment.)

@TBugReporter said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

I’m again straying away from N++ - for which I was soundly rebuked last time

@Alan-Kilborn said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

Nah, you go ahead if you want…

nobody’s concern is all that great, but if you think so then by all means proceed.

Okay, perhaps my own enthusiasm for the project may have caused me to misread the temperature of the room - but as I said, I do as I like, and this project has intrigued me. It may end up as just another of my unfinished projects, but for now, I’ll keep banging on it.

IMO you are heading down the wrong road, but let’s see where you end up…

So what do you consider “the right road”? Maybe that road will intrigue me more. 🙂

In software development, nothing is impossible, except making every user happy.
— Notepad++ (@Notepad_plus)

Ekopalypse

@TBugReporter and All

I have created a taskdialog module that hopefully,
works with PS2 and PS3 without any side effects.
See the readme for more information on how to use it.
If there is anything unclear or difficulties, do not hesitate to open an issue in the repo.

TBugReporter

@Alan-Kilborn said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

I thought we told you this was a “bad idea”; wasn’t there a discussion of how to “properly” end a script?

I now remember why I didn’t change this. Your “proper” method doesn’t work for me when the reason to end the script is detected in a sub-(sub-sub-…)routine - it just ends the subroutine. Or am I (again) doing it wrong?

Alan Kilborn

@TBugReporter said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

Your “proper” method doesn’t work for me when the reason to end the script is detected in a sub-(sub-sub-…)routine - it just ends the subroutine.

Not my method; Python’s.

Here’s some more pure Python (that is on-topic for this forum only because we’re talking about exiting PythonScripts) that answers the question; simply run it to see the effect, varying the if in func3() between if 1 and if 0 for a couple of runs.

# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
from __future__ import print_function

class Exit_exception(Exception): pass

def func3():
    if 0:
        print('func3 determined we should end and do it QUICKLY')
        raise Exit_exception()
    else:
        print('func3 determined we should proceed in an orderly fashion')

def func2():
    print('entered func2, about to call func3')
    func3()
    print('back in func2, after calling func3')

def func1():
    print('entered func1, about to call func2')
    func2()
    print('back in func1, after calling func2')

def main():
    print('entering main, about to call func1')
    try:
        func1()
    except Exit_exception:
        print('back in main and making an exceptional exit!')
        return
    print('back in main, after calling func1')

main()

This is a bit more “advanced” than what was discussed before; I didn’t share it then because it is more complicated and didn’t seem necessary at the time.

So for the if 0 case, all proceeds normally and in-sequence:

entering main, about to call func1
entered func1, about to call func2
entered func2, about to call func3
func3 determined we should proceed in an orderly fashion
back in func2, after calling func3
back in func1, after calling func2
back in main, after calling func1

If the code is changed to if 1, then we obtain:

entering main, about to call func1
entered func1, about to call func2
entered func2, about to call func3
func3 determined we should end and do it QUICKLY
back in main and making an exceptional exit!

BTW, this is just a “nice” way of achieving the goal. If you want to end abruptly and rudely, just insert this line of code where you want to achieve it:

1/0 <-- yep, just a 3-character line of code

Side note: The exception technique can also be used to get out of deeply nested loops, example new func2:

def func2():
    print('entered func2, about to call func3')
    try:
        while True:
            while True:
                while True:
                    while True:
                        while True:
                            while True:
                                while True:
                                    while True:
                                        func3()
                                        raise Exit_exception()
    except Exit_exception: pass
    print('back in func2, after calling func3')

PeterJones

@TBugReporter ,

Just as an aside from @Alan-Kilborn’s excellent example of using an exception to bomb out: he handled the exception in main() – and that’s probably Python best-practice, and the right way to show it in an example that others follow

But just so that you know: if you ever forget to handle an exception, the PythonScript plugin will be forgiving, and won’t exit Notepad++ for you. It will show the traceback for the exception, and will relinquish control back to Notepad++. You’ll have a nice red message

raise Exception()

And if you want additional information in your exception printout, you can add it as a text argument when you raise the exception

raise Exception("extra text")

Or, using Alan’s Exit_exception() sub-class, the name of the class becomes an indicator of what kind of exception it was:

But however you call the exception: after seeing such a red error, you will then want to fix your script so that it won’t happen again.

And if you want a clean exit – it’s not an “error”, just a way to leave a deep subroutine early – then handling that clean-exit-exception in main() is the Right Thing To Do™

TL;DR summary

Catching exceptions at some point is Python best-practice, but if you miss catching one, the PythonScript plugin will not exit Notepad++. Thus, if you want to exit a script early or promptly, raising an exception is a much better choice than using notepad.runPluginCommand('Python Script', 'Stop Script') to push the menu button for you

Alan Kilborn

I just noticed that we dealt with the topic of “early return” from a PythonScript before, HERE. That time, the simple return-from-main() technique satisfied the petitioner. :-)

TBugReporter

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TBugReporter

Is there any way that the PythonScript plugin can determine the size and position of the N++ window?

Ekopalypse

@TBugReporter

as an example

import ctypes
from ctypes import wintypes

rect = wintypes.RECT()

user32 = ctypes.WinDLL("user32")
hwnd = user32.FindWindowW(u"Notepad++", None)
user32.GetWindowRect(hwnd, ctypes.byref(rect))
print("position = ({},{})".format(rect.top, rect.left))
print("width = {}".format(rect.right - rect.left))
print("height = {}".format(rect.bottom - rect.top))

Be careful though, these are the outputs for my main and secondary monitor for example

position = (0,459)
width = 1079
height = 1087

>>> 
position = (-440,1912)
width = 1096
height = 1936

and when you start making more and more C interop calls, do yourself a favor and create your own startup.py script (you create it like any other script, but just call it startup.py. It should be stored alongside your other scripts so that it doesn’t conflict with the startup.py that comes with PS by default)

and do something like this

from win_api import FindWindow, FindWindowEx
notepad.hwnd = FindWindow(u'Notepad++', None)
editor1.hwnd = FindWindowEx(notepad.hwnd, None, u"Scintilla", None)
editor2.hwnd = FindWindowEx(notepad.hwnd, editor1.hwnd, u"Scintilla", None)

win_api is another file that contains all your C type declarations.
Just a suggestion.

Alan Kilborn

@Ekopalypse said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

FindWindow(u’Notepad++', None)

If you have multiple instances of Notepad++ running, is this guaranteed to find the one that the script code is executing within?

Ekopalypse

@Alan-Kilborn

normaly yes - but 100% guaranteed - I assume no.

Alan Kilborn

@Ekopalypse said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

normaly yes - but 100% guaranteed - I assume no.

I asked because I have some more complicated code to find the correct N++, and I was wondering if it was necessary. I’ll keep it. :-)

Ekopalypse

@Alan-Kilborn

It would be nice if PS would provide this, I know there is an open issue …

Alan Kilborn

@Ekopalypse said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

would be nice if PS would provide this, I know there is an open issue

Yes, HERE, but from the comment HERE the primary person maintaining PS seemed to have no clue as to why it would be valuable. :-(

TBugReporter

@Alan-Kilborn said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

I have some more complicated code to find the correct N++

Would you mind sharing?

dinkumoil

@Alan-Kilborn said in Using the PythonScript plugin to automate N++:

the primary person maintaining PS seemed to have no clue as to why it would be valuable

PythonScript plugin v3.0.15 should contain that feature. See change log 3.0.14 to 3.0.15, commit 2c178d8 from 2022-11-21.